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Judge acquits Backpage co-founder Michael Lacey on most counts

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Re: Judge acquits Backpage co-founder Michael Lacey on most counts

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How do you know that?

Because we know that trying to destroy Backpage was the personal crusade of Cindy McCain and it became very personal. This has long been written about.

> She is the widow of U.S. Senator John McCain from Arizona, who was the 2008 Republican presidential nominee.

Nepo-wife. And they were saying the Soviets were a decrepit society at the top, the US from today is not much better.

Re: Judge acquits Backpage co-founder Michael Lacey on most counts

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"And on June 17, Lacey is scheduled to be sentenced on the one count—international concealment of money laundering—on which the jury found him guilty. It comes with a possible sentence of up to 20 years in federal prison. Lacey plans to appeal his conviction on this count, and there seems like a good chance it will be successful, since the money he allegedly "concealed" was reported to the federal government with all…

And how is it money laundering if it turned out the money wasn't proceeds of crime.

Money laundering laws doesn't require that the money be proceeds of crime. It only requires that you do things in an attempt to obscure the source of the money.

For example structuring cash deposits. If you have a pile of legitimate cash, say through a cash business (you pay all taxes), but you intentionally make multiple $9,000 deposits to avoid generating a CTR (currency transaction report for cash deposits over $10,000), congrats, you violated money laundering laws.

Re: Judge acquits Backpage co-founder Michael Lacey on most counts

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You could receive money legitimately (let's say, donations to your synagogue) and funnel it to politically disfavoured causes (for example, anti-war protesters in the Middle East). It doesn't fit the metaphor of money laundering, of turning dirty money into clean, but it's usually prosecuted under the same statutes.

mmm actually no. money laundering - the federal crime - relies , absolutely relies on their being an illicit origin. it cannot be charged independently and relies on discovering there was an illicit origin and moving to prosecute that. think harder about it and successful money laundering is impossible to be convicted of as an illicit origin is never discovered and probable cause is never established to get the subpo…

> money laundering - the federal crime - relies, absolutely relies on their being an illicit origin. it cannot be charged independently and relies on discovering there was an illicit origin and moving to prosecute that.

There are money laundering laws that require it be illicit funds.

But there are also transaction reporting requirements - like generating a currency transaction report (CTR) - that don't require the funds to be illicit. It just requires that you attempt to circumvent them.

"The transaction is designed to evade any regulations promulgated under the Bank Secrecy Act"

Re: Judge acquits Backpage co-founder Michael Lacey on most counts

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And how is it money laundering if it turned out the money wasn't proceeds of crime.

Money laundering laws doesn't require that the money be proceeds of crime. It only requires that you do things in an attempt to obscure the source of the money. For example structuring cash deposits. If you have a pile of legitimate cash, say through a cash business (you pay all taxes), but you intentionally make multiple $9,000 deposits to avoid generating a CTR (currency transaction report for cash deposits over $1…

So out of curiosity, what if you run a business that just happens to generate $9K of cash regularly, for any reason?

Are you supposed to risk keeping it on premises until enough adds up, or you should tell the bank to file a CTR, or something else?

Re: Judge acquits Backpage co-founder Michael Lacey on most counts

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"And on June 17, Lacey is scheduled to be sentenced on the one count—international concealment of money laundering—on which the jury found him guilty. It comes with a possible sentence of up to 20 years in federal prison. Lacey plans to appeal his conviction on this count, and there seems like a good chance it will be successful, since the money he allegedly "concealed" was reported to the federal government with all…

This guy got into a pissing contest with the Arizona AG, which led to FOSTA/SESTA over the casual encounters page.

This has years of history. I worked in a similar industry to backpage for 11 years.

Re: Judge acquits Backpage co-founder Michael Lacey on most counts

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Yeah, cause then prosecutors would actually have to look for exculpatory evidence before charging instead of just sitting on their asses and relying on juries assuming guilt (because why else would someone be on trial?)

That... sounds like an unreasonable bias to me

I think it's called a viewpoint. Not available in stores.

Re: Judge acquits Backpage co-founder Michael Lacey on most counts

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The Left no longer means pushing for worker unionization or trying to expand welfare programs, at least not in the rich countries. This traditional left has become fringe almost everywhere in the top 20 economies. The Left is now a mostly academic movement dealing in obscure words.

>The Left no longer means pushing for worker unionization or trying to expand welfare programs, at least not in the rich countries. [...] The Left is now a mostly academic movement dealing in obscure words. This is as factual as rain is dry. >This traditional left has become fringe almost everywhere in the top 20 economies. What is traditional left? Marxism-Leninism? Socialism is and has been a wide spectrum since be…

The traditional left advocates for the rights of those who work for a living via collective action and organizing of working people, and attempts to break up concentrations of corporate power.

Re: Judge acquits Backpage co-founder Michael Lacey on most counts

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Yeah. Sigh. I'm realistic because the "meat is murder" with gross-out signage of slaughterhouse porn billboard-sign-on-cars approach hasn't really taken off. In other news, Moolec is developing GMO "Piggy Sooy" to taste like pork by inserting pork genes into beans. (I'm wondering: will it be Halal or Kosher?) Impossible Foods' "beef" relies on heme from GMO yeast, while Moolec plans to have GMO "beef" too.

yeast is an organism too - bread is murder

Unleavened bread baked in a microwave oven still grows to a volume intermediate between traditional unleavened bread and bread leavened with yeast or baking powder.

I actually prefer the taste of such microwaved unleavened bread that I make myself and I also prefer the fact that due to its higher density and cohesiveness (in comparison with bread leavened with yeast) it requires more vigorous and more prolonged chewing, which is healthy for the teeth (and for dental implants) and it causes greater satiety.

Therefore I spare the life of yeast :-)

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yeast is an organism too - bread is murder

Unleavened bread baked in a microwave oven still grows to a volume intermediate between traditional unleavened bread and bread leavened with yeast or baking powder. I actually prefer the taste of such microwaved unleavened bread that I make myself and I also prefer the fact that due to its higher density and cohesiveness (in comparison with bread leavened with yeast) it requires more vigorous and more prolonged chewi…

The colonies of yeast thank you for your sacrifice (although it sounds like a win win situation anyway)

Re: Judge acquits Backpage co-founder Michael Lacey on most counts

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Money laundering laws doesn't require that the money be proceeds of crime. It only requires that you do things in an attempt to obscure the source of the money. For example structuring cash deposits. If you have a pile of legitimate cash, say through a cash business (you pay all taxes), but you intentionally make multiple $9,000 deposits to avoid generating a CTR (currency transaction report for cash deposits over $1…

So out of curiosity, what if you run a business that just happens to generate $9K of cash regularly, for any reason? Are you supposed to risk keeping it on premises until enough adds up, or you should tell the bank to file a CTR, or something else?

like tax evasion laws -- they're like a joker card/ wildcard -- to law enforcement. to be played when they wanna arrest you.

that's what mobsters get nabbed on, corrupt gvt officials etc. it's not difficult to prove anyone has tax evaded.

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