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Judge acquits Backpage co-founder Michael Lacey on most counts

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Good. Prostitution should be legal and regulated to begin with. People are getting HIV at an alarming rate because the whole system is unregulated.

This wasn't prostitution on trial, it was a bunch of pimps and human traffickers. Just because they "are just an app" doesn't change the nature of their crime.

Not sure what your comment HIV has to do with anything either when it comes to that case.

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Why is that ironic? Of course nobody will care about stopping labor trafficking if it benefits them.

> Of course nobody will care about stopping labor trafficking if it benefits them Same with sex work it seems.

Sex work sex trafficking.

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> While it should be a top reason, it's an extremely unpersuasive reason in the real world Well it’s conditionally persuasive depending on the animal and people’s priors. Dogs vs horses vs pigs, etc. Agreed on all your points though.

Yeah. Sigh. I'm realistic because the "meat is murder" with gross-out signage of slaughterhouse porn billboard-sign-on-cars approach hasn't really taken off. In other news, Moolec is developing GMO "Piggy Sooy" to taste like pork by inserting pork genes into beans. (I'm wondering: will it be Halal or Kosher?) Impossible Foods' "beef" relies on heme from GMO yeast, while Moolec plans to have GMO "beef" too.

yeast is an organism too - bread is murder

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Reason’s libertarian bias sits outside the mainstream Left-Right axis of US political discourse. So what looks centrist or right leaning on a 2D scale is actually heavily biased in a different political direction.

I don't think there's much Left in US politics, unless you mean in the language of US politics, where somehow Democrats are considered "Left".

There's a few distinct axes commonly labelled "left". The Democrats are quite left on some axes (e.g. concern about racism) and less so on others (e.g. siezing the means of production).

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Reason’s libertarian bias sits outside the mainstream Left-Right axis of US political discourse. So what looks centrist or right leaning on a 2D scale is actually heavily biased in a different political direction.

I don't think there's much Left in US politics, unless you mean in the language of US politics, where somehow Democrats are considered "Left".

Well, left and right originated based on the parliament seating arrangement in France:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left%E2%80%93right_political...

So, traditional left/right split may not make much sense anymore and each country could have their own split for left and right sides.

The split that's now the norm in most western countries AFAICT is liberal on the left and conservative on the right.

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I don't think there's much Left in US politics, unless you mean in the language of US politics, where somehow Democrats are considered "Left".

The Left no longer means pushing for worker unionization or trying to expand welfare programs, at least not in the rich countries. This traditional left has become fringe almost everywhere in the top 20 economies. The Left is now a mostly academic movement dealing in obscure words.

>The Left no longer means pushing for worker unionization or trying to expand welfare programs, at least not in the rich countries. [...] The Left is now a mostly academic movement dealing in obscure words.

This is as factual as rain is dry.

>This traditional left has become fringe almost everywhere in the top 20 economies.

What is traditional left? Marxism-Leninism? Socialism is and has been a wide spectrum since before the Russian revolution. Right now we're seeing an uptick in extreme right tendencies in Europe but top 20 economy countries such as the UK, France, Brazil and Germany do have solid leftist parties.

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Estimated no one cares about labor trafficking. They care about other people having sex.

They care about people being forced to engage in sex. Many people are trafficked into doing something they do not want to do by a partner or someone they think cares about them (look at the Andrew Tate situation).

After this comment I finally looked up Andrew Tate on wikipedia and was surprised to discover he has not actually been convicted of sex trafficking yet. Had the impression he had been... commenting in case it surprises anyone else.

Re: Judge acquits Backpage co-founder Michael Lacey on most counts

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I don't think there's much Left in US politics, unless you mean in the language of US politics, where somehow Democrats are considered "Left".

There's a few distinct axes commonly labelled "left". The Democrats are quite left on some axes (e.g. concern about racism) and less so on others (e.g. siezing the means of production).

We used to call this liberalism

Re: Judge acquits Backpage co-founder Michael Lacey on most counts

#150

Seems like there should be an optional trial end, in addition to conviction or acquittal, for "prosecution shouldn't have brought this case", where the accused would get some kind of compensation. I don't know the details of this case, but I remember hearing about it many years ago. I can't imagine the expense and stress of such a trial, dragging on for so long, and then at the end it's just "Okay, guess you're not g…

No need to make it optional. If the state can't convict on all counts, you should get full compensation for all expenses, including your legal bills, any time spent in prison, lost income, etc. In a case like this it would be millions of dollars, maybe tens of millions. Of course, this case probably wouldn't have happened in the first place if that was the way prosecutions worked... Most criminal cases are open-and-s…

In the trial where somebody is accused of first degree murder and they are instead convicted of second degree murder, the murderer deserves all that compensation? You haven't thought this out well.
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