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Asian American women are getting lung cancer despite never smoking

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Re: Asian American women are getting lung cancer despite never smoking

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Post by snickerbockers »

alephnerd wrote: post #79
lambdaba wrote: post #5

Wasn't there something about some seed oil fumes being toxic? Maybe it's related to some cooking practices. Highly speculative but the cooking oil toxicity is well-known. [edit] found this with a quick search, seems relevant: Exposure to Cooking Oil Fumes and Oxidative Damages: A Longitudinal Study in Chinese Military Cooks https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4029104/ [edit 2] and indeed the article mentions…

Most likely this. Mustard Oil is critical for South Asian cooking and is labeled as "not for consumption" in the US. I also wonder how much is because of immigration and the pollution in the old country (even countries like South Korea and SG have horrid AQIs)

that wouldn't be related to mustard gas, would it?

Re: Asian American women are getting lung cancer despite never smoking

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Post by Ductapemaster »

alephnerd wrote: post #79
lambdaba wrote: post #5

Wasn't there something about some seed oil fumes being toxic? Maybe it's related to some cooking practices. Highly speculative but the cooking oil toxicity is well-known. [edit] found this with a quick search, seems relevant: Exposure to Cooking Oil Fumes and Oxidative Damages: A Longitudinal Study in Chinese Military Cooks https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4029104/ [edit 2] and indeed the article mentions…

Most likely this. Mustard Oil is critical for South Asian cooking and is labeled as "not for consumption" in the US. I also wonder how much is because of immigration and the pollution in the old country (even countries like South Korea and SG have horrid AQIs)

Mustard oil is rich in unsaturated fatty acids, but it also contains a special type of fatty acid called erucic acid, which lies at the center of the controversy surrounding the oil. Seeds from the brassica family of plants, which includes rapeseed and mustard, in addition to cabbage and kale, all contain varying amounts of erucic acid. Early experimental studies on animals in the 1950s suggested that erucic acid possibly had a role in the development of heart disease.

From: https://www.seriouseats.com/mustard-oil-guide (there's a lot more and it's worth a read)

Re: Asian American women are getting lung cancer despite never smoking

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Post by jejeyyy77 »

alephnerd wrote: post #79
lambdaba wrote: post #5

Wasn't there something about some seed oil fumes being toxic? Maybe it's related to some cooking practices. Highly speculative but the cooking oil toxicity is well-known. [edit] found this with a quick search, seems relevant: Exposure to Cooking Oil Fumes and Oxidative Damages: A Longitudinal Study in Chinese Military Cooks https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4029104/ [edit 2] and indeed the article mentions…

Most likely this. Mustard Oil is critical for South Asian cooking and is labeled as "not for consumption" in the US. I also wonder how much is because of immigration and the pollution in the old country (even countries like South Korea and SG have horrid AQIs)

east asians don't use mustard oil

Re: Asian American women are getting lung cancer despite never smoking

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Post by alephnerd »

jejeyyy77 wrote: post #83
alephnerd wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most likely this. Mustard Oil is critical for South Asian cooking and is labeled as "not for consumption" in the US. I also wonder how much is because of immigration and the pollution in the old country (even countries like South Korea and SG have horrid AQIs)

east asians don't use mustard oil

Notice how I said SOUTH, and how the article notes the same issue in Indian Americans

Re: Asian American women are getting lung cancer despite never smoking

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Post by adolph »

snickerbockers wrote: post #81
alephnerd wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most likely this. Mustard Oil is critical for South Asian cooking and is labeled as "not for consumption" in the US. I also wonder how much is because of immigration and the pollution in the old country (even countries like South Korea and SG have horrid AQIs)

that wouldn't be related to mustard gas, would it?

Full roundabout:

In the 1940s, sulfur mustard, commonly called mustard gas, and nitrogen mustard, a derivative of mustard gas, became a new form of cancer treatment.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5325736/

Re: Asian American women are getting lung cancer despite never smoking

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Post by bsza »

lambdaba wrote: post #5

Wasn't there something about some seed oil fumes being toxic? Maybe it's related to some cooking practices. Highly speculative but the cooking oil toxicity is well-known. [edit] found this with a quick search, seems relevant: Exposure to Cooking Oil Fumes and Oxidative Damages: A Longitudinal Study in Chinese Military Cooks https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4029104/ [edit 2] and indeed the article mentions…

It probably also doesn’t help that some cooking techniques, like wok hei, involve heating the oil past its burning point.

Re: Asian American women are getting lung cancer despite never smoking

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Post by keepamovin »

I have a bizarre theory that 1 - 1.5 packs of cigarettes per year is actually beneficial for health. This theory has two parts:

- small amounts of nicotine occsaionnaly are excellent for the brain

- the innoculatory effects of small occasional acute exposure to toxins and carcinogens preemptively activates and trains your body and its immune system to respond to the types of things that cause damage. Basically by activating the damage repair systems occasionally under a mild stressor you keep yourself inoculated against seemingly damage-associated conditions.

I'll let y'all know how it's going in 200 years or so :)

Re: Asian American women are getting lung cancer despite never smoking

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Post by taeric »

WirelessGigabit wrote: post #77
peteradio wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Gas ranges aren't the only range that needs to be vented, all need it.

I was surprised about this when I moved to the USA. We cooked on electricity in Belgium, and there was a range hood. Then you come here and you start to look at apartments and there is no hood at all. Weird. Or you see a microwave with a vent that vents inside. Makes you wonder whether a mandatory range hood that vents outside is better than a gas range ban...

Absolutely! Having only gotten into a house with a well done vent going outside recently, it is alarming how much cleaner everything in the kitchen is. Heck, I'm pretty sure the entire house shows signs that we don't have as much oil residue as we had in our previous houses.

Now... there is also the eye opener that is cleaning the range hood for the first time. Holy crap.

Re: Asian American women are getting lung cancer despite never smoking

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Post by QuercusMax »

jejeyyy77 wrote: post #83
alephnerd wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most likely this. Mustard Oil is critical for South Asian cooking and is labeled as "not for consumption" in the US. I also wonder how much is because of immigration and the pollution in the old country (even countries like South Korea and SG have horrid AQIs)

east asians don't use mustard oil

They use caiziyou, AKA roasted rapeseed oil, which has a high level of erucic acid, similar to mustard oil. (Rapeseed is a member of the mustard family. Canola is low-erucic acid rapeseed oil.)

Re: Asian American women are getting lung cancer despite never smoking

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Post by mschuster91 »

arrowsmith wrote: post #62
mschuster91 wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm assuming they are referring to "traditional old Asian culture" aka the combination of old patriarchal/sexist beliefs, a toxic workplace/exploitation culture, society-over-individual attitudes, and that topped up with a healthy dose of racism to xenophobia (depending on the country). I mean, some of this is rich to talk about given I'm European and most Western countries share a lot of these traits, but from what…

Are "society-over-individual values" really such an obviously bad thing?

Oh, absolutely, and it can be seen for example in suicide rates [1], or the weird state of Japanese criminal justice where prosecutors will only go for nailed-shut cases so that they don't "lose face" (while society as a whole suffers) [2], not to mention the entire issue surrounding "forced confessions".

[1] https://asia.nikkei.com/Spotlight/Asia-Insight/Youth-suicide...

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criminal_justice_system_of_Jap...

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