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Asian American women are getting lung cancer despite never smoking
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Re: Asian American women are getting lung cancer despite never smoking
#72Wasn't there something about some seed oil fumes being toxic? Maybe it's related to some cooking practices. Highly speculative but the cooking oil toxicity is well-known. [edit] found this with a quick search, seems relevant: Exposure to Cooking Oil Fumes and Oxidative Damages: A Longitudinal Study in Chinese Military Cooks https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4029104/ [edit 2] and indeed the article mentions…
What type of cooking oil does that?
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Re: Asian American women are getting lung cancer despite never smoking
#73Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't mean it's comforting I prefer to have it at 0/10. I am just trying to say that things that cause cancer are not as deterministic as we think.
this is correct. it's clear that smoking elevates cancer risk, but why doesn't it cause cancer in all smokers? to develop a cure, we must better understand the causal mechanisms. this starts with acknowledging what we know and don't know about a devilishly complex disease that is arguably better conceptualized as a broad category rather than one monolith -- similar to how the flu, cold, and covid could be grouped und…
I think we understand the causal mechanism pretty well. it is just laypeople struggle with binary thinking vs probability.
The reason why only 20% of smokers get cancer is similar to why a person doesn't get cancer after 1 cigarette.
This is only counterintuitive if your default thinking is that smoking=cancer. In reality, there are a lot of variable chemical and biological processes involved, but ultimately it ultimately boils down to a cumulative risk, not guarantee.
Re: Asian American women are getting lung cancer despite never smoking
#74Wasn't there something about some seed oil fumes being toxic? Maybe it's related to some cooking practices. Highly speculative but the cooking oil toxicity is well-known. [edit] found this with a quick search, seems relevant: Exposure to Cooking Oil Fumes and Oxidative Damages: A Longitudinal Study in Chinese Military Cooks https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4029104/ [edit 2] and indeed the article mentions…
Very empirical, but earlier this year I was talking to a Thai street food cook who mentioned he was scared of getting cancer from the cooking fumes, because he knew many people who were also cooks and got ill.
Re: Asian American women are getting lung cancer despite never smoking
#75Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm assuming they are referring to "traditional old Asian culture" aka the combination of old patriarchal/sexist beliefs, a toxic workplace/exploitation culture, society-over-individual attitudes, and that topped up with a healthy dose of racism to xenophobia (depending on the country). I mean, some of this is rich to talk about given I'm European and most Western countries share a lot of these traits, but from what…
Are "society-over-individual values" really such an obviously bad thing?
East Asian wars tend to be drastically more deadly than the wars of any other group. The Three Kingdoms War wiped China's population to 30% of what it once was, and had half the deaths of WWII in a world with two hundred million people instead of billions.
Re: Asian American women are getting lung cancer despite never smoking
#76It's worth noting in this context that Asian-American women are by far the longest-lived demographic group overall. Asians have a combined life expectancy of 86 years in the US, and women generally have a 4-5 year advantage relative to men.
[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_health_in_the_United_...
Re: Asian American women are getting lung cancer despite never smoking
#77Wasn't there something about some seed oil fumes being toxic? Maybe it's related to some cooking practices. Highly speculative but the cooking oil toxicity is well-known. [edit] found this with a quick search, seems relevant: Exposure to Cooking Oil Fumes and Oxidative Damages: A Longitudinal Study in Chinese Military Cooks https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4029104/ [edit 2] and indeed the article mentions…
Gas ranges aren't the only range that needs to be vented, all need it.
I was surprised about this when I moved to the USA. We cooked on electricity in Belgium, and there was a range hood.
Then you come here and you start to look at apartments and there is no hood at all. Weird.
Or you see a microwave with a vent that vents inside.
Makes you wonder whether a mandatory range hood that vents outside is better than a gas range ban...
Re: Asian American women are getting lung cancer despite never smoking
#78Nobody mentioned it, but some Asians are heavy incense burners.
It can't be too good for their health.
Re: Asian American women are getting lung cancer despite never smoking
#79Wasn't there something about some seed oil fumes being toxic? Maybe it's related to some cooking practices. Highly speculative but the cooking oil toxicity is well-known. [edit] found this with a quick search, seems relevant: Exposure to Cooking Oil Fumes and Oxidative Damages: A Longitudinal Study in Chinese Military Cooks https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4029104/ [edit 2] and indeed the article mentions…
Most likely this.
Mustard Oil is critical for South Asian cooking and is labeled as "not for consumption" in the US.
I also wonder how much is because of immigration and the pollution in the old country (even countries like South Korea and SG have horrid AQIs)
Re: Asian American women are getting lung cancer despite never smoking
#80Earlier quoted context omitted.
>when seed oil dangers are mentioned, it's hilariously politicized ??? Where are you seeing this? It's definitely controversial, but calling it "politicized" seems like a stretch.
Seed oil avoidance is right-wing coded, it's undeniable. To be clear, a segment of the online right-wing, I'm not saying literally half the population.
> Seed oil avoidance is right-wing coded, it's undeniable.
Even taking that claim at face value, "right-wing coded" is hardly the same as "hilariously politicized". Living in rural areas is right-wing coded as well[1], but nobody would seriously call it "hilariously politicized", especially when you consider the broader context of the phrase:
>A lot of people get very angry when seed oil dangers are mentioned, it's hilariously politicized
[1] https://www.cnn.com/election/2022/exit-polls/national-result...