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We have 4 days to contest KYC being required by internet services

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Post by ranger_danger »

justaman wrote: post #37
oshout wrote: post #21

Skimming through the article, it seems like the extent of this is to require IAAS (Infrastructure) providers to verify the identity of those who are using their services to train AI. It's an attempt to stymie sanctioned or malicious actors, from training AI and especially from hopping between services or using aliases to continue training on their model. It seems a bit benign and I don't understand the parallels othe…

I think everyone has a sour taste left over from decades of half-baked laws written by politicians that don't understand the basics of the internet or technology in general. With that said, I also don't understand the issues people are having with this.

I wonder how they deal with the (hopefully) constant abuse reports aimed at them from providers who are tired of their shady customers doing shady things from their IPs.

Re: We have 4 days to contest KYC being required by internet services

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Post by pessimizer »

kolanos wrote: post #35
freeone3000 wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it? How? Which bit of KYC for SaaS violates which right?

Isn't this a clear violation of the 4th amendment? > “The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things ... Note it says "the people" and not "citizens…

> If this trend continues, you'll need to verify your identity to use any service.

Once we started to send "National Security Letters" to public libraries after PATRIOT to find out what people were reading, this future became an inevitability.

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Post by _tk_ »

chlodwig wrote: post #143
Raidion wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Aren't you basically revealing yourself anyway because you need to pay them?

There are IaaS services out there that accept bitcoin, monero, or anonymous prepaid charge cards. They aren't an IaaS but Mullvad even accepts cash mailed to them in an envelope.

Is it fair to assume, that one can engage in a business relationship with these services outside the US? I'm not sure I see the effect that you are implying. AWS, GCP, Azure don't accept crypto. Mullvad is as you point out not an IaaS provider.

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Post by [deleted] »

oaiey wrote: post #171
sschueller wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So national security trumps democracy and freedom? What do you have left to protect when you give it all up? Might as well just elect a king and be done with it.

You elect a executive branch to protect you. Sometimes that includes executive orders. And if these survive the check and balances, maybe it is for the greater good. If you do not want that, the country has to work on a functional Parlament and switch away from a presidential system.

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Post by sokoloff »

kube-system wrote: post #159
dannyobrien wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you not add plugins to Wordpress?

You cannot install Debian or Windows 11 on Wordpress.

I think it’s most reasonable to read that as “includes [all of these examples]” not “excludes if it can’t [any of these examples]”

AWS Lambda would clearly (IMO) be in-scope as IaaS by this definition, as an example, even though I can’t install another OS.

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Post by anjel »

sschueller wrote: post #61
perihelions wrote: post #40

- "To Address the National Emergency" A fast-moving emergency that can't be fixed by normal constitutional lawmaking processes, and must resort, exceptionally, to executive-branch emergency decrees—for expedience. Nevermind the executive order it's drawing authority from was written three years ago. It was a fast-moving emergency then, too, I suppose. https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2021/01/25/2021-01... (…

So national security trumps democracy and freedom? What do you have left to protect when you give it all up? Might as well just elect a king and be done with it.

Its long been this way. Even in the 1950s the were fed justices commenting that if a nuclear bomb were to be stolen, its retrieval would be a reasonable predicate justifying suspension of the bill of rights until the warhead's retrieval.

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Post by eks391 »

IfOnlyYouKnew wrote: post #20

This is about foreign customers only, so as an attempt to abolish the constitution, it is severely flawed in respecting it enough to keep its distance. I can't think of any US service I am using that doesn't already require KYC? None of the large providers will let you get far without a credit card, as far as I remember? Since the discussion here will consider itself mostly with upright revolutionaries being disenfra…

> I can't think of any US service I am using that doesn't already require KYC? None of the large providers will let you get far without a credit card, as far as I remember?

There are several credit card vendors that do not require KYC that are easily available. I don't know of any banks that don't require KYC that you would use to pay those CC bills, but I wouldn't be surprised if they exist.

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Post by greenavocado »

sschueller wrote: post #61
perihelions wrote: post #40

- "To Address the National Emergency" A fast-moving emergency that can't be fixed by normal constitutional lawmaking processes, and must resort, exceptionally, to executive-branch emergency decrees—for expedience. Nevermind the executive order it's drawing authority from was written three years ago. It was a fast-moving emergency then, too, I suppose. https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2021/01/25/2021-01... (…

So national security trumps democracy and freedom? What do you have left to protect when you give it all up? Might as well just elect a king and be done with it.

Freedom has been on a steady decline since the establishment of the Federal Reserve in 1913 when established banking dynasties seized control over the currency of the country. The symbolic destruction of the constitution occurred on 9/11/2001 when the modern police state went into full force.

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Post by kube-system »

pavon wrote: post #175
kube-system wrote: post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You cannot install Debian or Windows 11 on Wordpress.

It applies to any "software that is not predefined". An OS is just an non-exhaustive example of one type of software that applies.

The next sentence is:

> The consumer [...] has control over the operating systems, storage, and any deployed applications.

That was just a snippet of the full definition here:

https://www.federalregister.gov/d/2024-01580/p-46

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