Asset seizure over data that mainly contains mindless entertainment? This is a new low for the US as a business environment in my opinion.
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Biden signs TikTok bill into law, starting clock for ByteDance to divest
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Re: Biden signs TikTok bill into law, starting clock for ByteDance to divest
#342The work "ban" is in scare quotes for a reason. The law doesn't ban TikTok. Rather, it bans TikTok from having Chinese owners. If the law stands, the end result will likely be that TikTok will be sold to US owners, rather than TikTok going away. It's surprising to me that this this pretty significant distinction has been glossed over both in media reporting and in general comments here on HN. To be clear, I'm not sup…
Also wonder whether the law names TikTok in particular or just some criteria that matches it. If it's the latter, are other companies also on the clock?
Re: Biden signs TikTok bill into law, starting clock for ByteDance to divest
#343Asset seizure over data that mainly contains mindless entertainment? This is a new low for the US as a business environment in my opinion.
But isn’t China spying through tiktok? https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/08/tech/tiktok-data-china/index....
TikTok? what's the goal exactly? looks like this goes beyond China, what other laws do they want to pass? China spying on people having fun dancing and cooking!
https://www.spiegel.de/international/world/how-the-nsa-spies...
https://qz.com/1145669/googles-true-origin-partly-lies-in-ci...
https://www.mediapart.fr/en/journal/france/290615/revealed-m...
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/us-security-agency-spie...
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11562433/Facebook-r...
Should the world ban Swift, Google, Microsoft, Meta, Twitter, Instagram, YouTube? Where is CISCO, CISCO?!
And finally, should the world ditch the USD?
Reciprocity, at what price? :)
Re: Biden signs TikTok bill into law, starting clock for ByteDance to divest
#344I can almost hear the Meta execs cackling in their bathtubs of cash. Seriously though, this decision just feels unsubstantiated and rushed. There are so many claims of manipulation and our data being used by China via TikTok but I can't help but feel a company like Instagram does the exact same thing but it's not a Chinese company so we are just... okay with that?
Yes, the American government is comfortable with American companies having deeper access to American data than foreign adversaries. It's not about what's being done, it's about who's doing it.
But to me it's more scary what American companies and government can do with that data towards me. China having it doesn't affect my unless I'm going there.
Re: Biden signs TikTok bill into law, starting clock for ByteDance to divest
#345Asset seizure over data that mainly contains mindless entertainment? This is a new low for the US as a business environment in my opinion.
Wouldn't you as a government rather control your own citizens through mindless entertainment and algorithms than a foreign government? This isn't about China per se.....
Re: Biden signs TikTok bill into law, starting clock for ByteDance to divest
#346It is maddening to see people who usually are pretty serious and mature turn into zombies parroting whatever political propaganda the state decides to push out this year. Some key facts: 1. Tiktok isn’t allowed to sell because their AI models and algorithms are trained on Chinese citizenry data. These items have been marked as non-exports for some time now, and this is a well known fact by the people pushing for the…
Agree strongly w/ this post. The irony of the comments claiming that TikTok is a Chinese propaganda tool is that TikTok is one of the only major social platforms that isn't totally controlled by Western propaganda. Reddit, Facebook, X etc. will all ban and downrank you for anti-Western wrongthink.
Re: Biden signs TikTok bill into law, starting clock for ByteDance to divest
#347It is maddening to see people who usually are pretty serious and mature turn into zombies parroting whatever political propaganda the state decides to push out this year. Some key facts: 1. Tiktok isn’t allowed to sell because their AI models and algorithms are trained on Chinese citizenry data. These items have been marked as non-exports for some time now, and this is a well known fact by the people pushing for the…
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Re: Biden signs TikTok bill into law, starting clock for ByteDance to divest
#348Given the recent law in the US to give the NSA full access to user data without court order, forcing Tiktok to be owned by a US company makes more sense.
Re: Biden signs TikTok bill into law, starting clock for ByteDance to divest
#349The work "ban" is in scare quotes for a reason. The law doesn't ban TikTok. Rather, it bans TikTok from having Chinese owners. If the law stands, the end result will likely be that TikTok will be sold to US owners, rather than TikTok going away. It's surprising to me that this this pretty significant distinction has been glossed over both in media reporting and in general comments here on HN. To be clear, I'm not sup…
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Re: Biden signs TikTok bill into law, starting clock for ByteDance to divest
#350if you've been to China, you'll know that they ban all western products: facebook, google, etc etc and replaced them with their own variants. If they want to run around free-range without any restriction with their own products then they should respond by loosening restrictions in their own country. This is an absolute no-brainer. If you want Tik Tok in the US, lower your middle finger. Am I missing something?
The story back in the ancient history of ~1989->2021 was our free open liberal system was so obviously superior that we were just going to wait around for China to realize their dumb mistake and join us at the end of history. Their great firewall would cripple their economy until then. The new story is we're copying China's tactics because China did it first and it works great. I mean, sure, go with that. But it does…
There's no irony in realpolitik.