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Re: When do we stop finding new music?

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Post by noah_buddy »

zer00eyz wrote: post #74
qzx_pierri wrote: post #22

Spotify has financial incentive to obfuscate their UI to tilt people toward mindlessly consuming playlists. This is because labels pay Spotify to put certain songs on large playlists, and Spotify knows playlists are a good habit to push onto their users. Radio was used to discover new music decades ago, but paying a radio station (directly) to play a song is illegal (payola), so DJs had to break new songs, styles, an…

>> labels pay Spotify to put certain songs on large playlists What are you talking about. IM going to need you to back this one up with some proof. 1. The labels have a giant back catalog that remains popular. It does not need promotion. Huge long tail profits there. 2. The labels dont have a lot to sell any more. The big artists tend to get out of the system (and make money on tours) and small artists get nothing. A…

Anecdotal, but I was close friends with someone who managed a niche (but popular) artist’s social media and streaming service presence. We discussed this fact and this person mentioned it could be $10k+ to be on some playlists 1st song spot for just a few days. I doubt it’s only Spotify official playlists.

Re: When do we stop finding new music?

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Post by horsh1 »

mattpallissard wrote: post #70
qzx_pierri wrote: post #22

Spotify has financial incentive to obfuscate their UI to tilt people toward mindlessly consuming playlists. This is because labels pay Spotify to put certain songs on large playlists, and Spotify knows playlists are a good habit to push onto their users. Radio was used to discover new music decades ago, but paying a radio station (directly) to play a song is illegal (payola), so DJs had to break new songs, styles, an…

I'll add one more 5. Once you find a band you like, pull their tour dates. See who they're opening for or who their openers are.

6. Go to whosampled.com and figure out the originals. Whom do they cover, whom do they sample.

Re: When do we stop finding new music?

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Post by Euphorbium »

harles wrote: post #85
qzx_pierri wrote: post #22

Spotify has financial incentive to obfuscate their UI to tilt people toward mindlessly consuming playlists. This is because labels pay Spotify to put certain songs on large playlists, and Spotify knows playlists are a good habit to push onto their users. Radio was used to discover new music decades ago, but paying a radio station (directly) to play a song is illegal (payola), so DJs had to break new songs, styles, an…

I’ve wondered for a while if Spotify skews playlists in favor of cheaper songs. I have no evidence of this, but it’d make business sense to use the equivalent of store brand music (even if that just means outsourced to a cheap agency) for generic study music playlists and such.

I think they tend to play what is cached locally, to save on streaming costs.

Re: When do we stop finding new music?

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Post by jonathankoren »

havblue wrote: post #32

It doesn't seem like the article makes much of a distinction between newly released music and music that you haven't listened to yet. Personally, as I get older I've lost the ability to listen to the same Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd etc albums for the 100th time. I cringe every time I hear the opening of Don't Stop Believing. So I've kept trying to get deeper into prog and other genres lately as I'm just burnt out on th…

I still like Nirvana, and think they defined a moment, but let’s be honest here. Dave Grohl has had a longer career with Foo Fighters, and Cobain hasn’t put out new stuff since 1994.

I’m not really interested in reliving that time.

Re: When do we stop finding new music?

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Post by conradfr »

kennyadam wrote: post #61
monksy wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The artists have made it harder. They've pushed for aggressive one sided fan behavior policies (phone less), they've increased aggressively with the prices, the quality has gone down with many established bands, pushed large shows without building a performance with the space, and they've done a ton of things that don't help their product. It feels more like greed in the business than an experience. That being said I…

I am 100% onboard with the phone bans. There's nothing worse than hundreds of phone screens glowing in your face while you're trying to enjoy a live act. I can't imagine how weird it must feel for the performer(s) too. To go from people looking at you, making eye contact, engaging with the performance, to suddenly seeing a sea of phones pointed at you, with everyone watching you indirectly via their phone screen.

Also, why can't phones have a "concert mode" where you can film with the screen off?

Re: When do we stop finding new music?

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Post by xoac »

ryandrake wrote: post #50
ergonaught wrote: post #39

Well I'm in my 50s, and I mostly stopped finding new music when record labels, streaming, and social media destroyed the prospects for people who would otherwise make that new music for me to find. New stuff still arrives (you're not going to predict that me-at-15-loving-Megadeth will much later also love Billie Eilish or Gin Wigmore or Mirel Wagner or ...) but most "new music" is garbage by the standards set by abou…

I'm closing in on 50s, and what I miss the most out of the music I grew up with are actual cohesive albums that work as a single artistic unit. I think the 70s were the golden age of albums, and then slowly we moved towards the world of albums being just random collections of tracks, with one or two good ones and the rest "filler." Now, do many modern musicians even bother to release albums anymore? Seems like it's j…

I mean depends on what you are listening to. PLENTY of albums are being made.

Re: When do we stop finding new music?

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Post by resource_waste »

harles wrote: post #85
qzx_pierri wrote: post #22

Spotify has financial incentive to obfuscate their UI to tilt people toward mindlessly consuming playlists. This is because labels pay Spotify to put certain songs on large playlists, and Spotify knows playlists are a good habit to push onto their users. Radio was used to discover new music decades ago, but paying a radio station (directly) to play a song is illegal (payola), so DJs had to break new songs, styles, an…

I’ve wondered for a while if Spotify skews playlists in favor of cheaper songs. I have no evidence of this, but it’d make business sense to use the equivalent of store brand music (even if that just means outsourced to a cheap agency) for generic study music playlists and such.

I noticed Google Play do this with Soundcloud Rap.

Their amorality has caused me to enjoy SoundCloud Rap at a formidable age, now I cannot shake it. My kids listen to it, swear amorally, and the cycle continues.

All because Google Play didn't want to shell out an extra 60 cents per year for paid Rappers.

Re: When do we stop finding new music?

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Post by evanletz »

nkotov wrote: post #3

I loved this article. I have about 4k songs saved in my "liked" playlist on Spotify, majority of them were from when I was 20 to 24, then it tapered off a lot. I turned 30 this year and I still like to discover new music but not as much as I did in my early 20s.

Agreed. I'm 27 and still save a lot of new music. But I've looked back at my older playlists from college and was probably saving 10x more songs back then. Full-time job definitely affected that

Re: When do we stop finding new music?

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Post by reducesuffering »

082349872349872 wrote: post #83
reducesuffering wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I think it's easy to sit and judge someone as being "uncultured" because they listen to music that was popular when they were a teenager, but fundamentally it's not like they're hurting anyone. I think the antagonism usually goes in the other way. Most people get crystallized music tastes pretty soon into their life and the second the new generation comes up with something different, it's all "music is crap these d…

Old foreign language books had translations for phrases along the lines of "the lobster makes a good salad" and "my husband is unwell, can you call a doctor?" If I were to use YouTube for a corpus, I could probably write contemporary translation books for many languages, as long as the phrases were along the lines of "still listening in ${YEAR}" and "new ${GENRE} isn't this good"

I don't even blame them, clearly the article shows there's a biological or cultural phenomenon to it. It's just unfortunate when you're the 2% outlier that thinks music is progressing, as you can't share with others the appreciation that sounds are actually getting better.
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