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Re: Senate passes TikTok ban bill, sending it to President Biden's desk

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Post by labrador »

nullindividual wrote: post #78
labrador wrote: post #73

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It'd be nice if Gen Z became less anti-American. America deserved it in the Vietnam war. Now, not so much.

If wanting better conditions in the US is something Gen-Z wants, that does not make them anti-American. Criticism of our government and corporations is one of the most pro-American action one can be. They want an America that is humane and cares for its citizens. Good for them. Anything less makes for a subhuman individual.

I get the impression it's less about constructive criticism and more about hating America by the scenes of young protestors in America burning the flag of the United States. Both the left and the right should be mindful of not becoming traitors giving comfort to enemies that would like to destroy our goverment and make America their colony.

Re: Senate passes TikTok ban bill, sending it to President Biden's desk

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Post by labrador »

hatenberg wrote: post #80
labrador wrote: post #73

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It'd be nice if Gen Z became less anti-American. America deserved it in the Vietnam war. Now, not so much.

You forgot Iraq?

I don't recall a lot of violent protests against the war in Iraq after the initial protests. It seems young people lost interest. They certainly care very little for the vets that return broken.

Re: Senate passes TikTok ban bill, sending it to President Biden's desk

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Post by r14c »

nullindividual wrote: post #79
greenavocado wrote: post #24

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The actual purpose of this sale is for the intelligence services to stop the illumination of hypocrisy and crimes of the ruling elite.

How do you come to that conclusion? I can rant and rave here about the shit and aberrant government and if I had an account, reddit, FB, etc without repercussions. We can call out GW Bush for committing warcrimes and killing 100k+ Iraqis. Or Obama for drone strikes on Afghan civilians. Or Trump for existing. Or Biden for killing Afghan civilians on the final day, the day we pulled out of that complete shitshow. Criti…

The topic that you're missing is coverage of Palestine and the sustained pressure that BDS and other movements are putting on Israel and US foreign policy, using Tiktok as a messaging platform. Palestine related content is heavily suppressed on most American social media networks. Israeli leaders have also expressed their concern over the "tiktok problem" and have failed to gain traction on the network with their counter-posting. From my perspective, at least, its pretty clear that this move is killing two birds with one stone by eliminating foreign competition and suppressing content that Israel doesn't want out in the wild.

The issue of free speech in America is that anything is allowed, until it starts forcing the hand of the elite in some way.

Re: Senate passes TikTok ban bill, sending it to President Biden's desk

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Post by vishalontheline »

dqv wrote: post #12
labrador wrote: post #4

> “In the context of social media platforms used by nearly half of Americans, it’s not hard to imagine how a platform that facilitates so much commerce, political discourse, and social debate could be covertly manipulated to serve the goals of an authoritarian regime, one with a long track record of censorship, transnational repression, and promotion of disinformation.” Mark Warner (D-VA), Senate Intelligence Committ…

Mark Warner has gotten $343,211 from AIPAC. He cares about placating Israel, not protecting our data. If you can find a politician who says this but doesn't take money from AIPAC, I might be a little more convinced.

What are you talking about? The last Israeli social networking company that made it big was Mirabilis (ICQ).

Re: Senate passes TikTok ban bill, sending it to President Biden's desk

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Post by nullindividual »

labrador wrote: post #81
nullindividual wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If wanting better conditions in the US is something Gen-Z wants, that does not make them anti-American. Criticism of our government and corporations is one of the most pro-American action one can be. They want an America that is humane and cares for its citizens. Good for them. Anything less makes for a subhuman individual.

I get the impression it's less about constructive criticism and more about hating America by the scenes of young protestors in America burning the flag of the United States. Both the left and the right should be mindful of not becoming traitors giving comfort to enemies that would like to destroy our goverment and make America their colony.

Burning the American flag does not make for a traitor. It makes for an individual expressing the greatest right we have — freedom of speech.

Suppressing freedom of speech is the most anti-American stance one could take.

Re: Senate passes TikTok ban bill, sending it to President Biden's desk

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Post by freeone3000 »

verdverm wrote: post #64
freeone3000 wrote: post #60

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If America truly wanted to protect the data of Americans, shouldn’t they instead have passed a law granting that data some protection?

The point GP was making is not about protecting the data going out, but rather protecting against the influence coming in It's reciprocal since the CCP has the similar policy towards Western social media

Protecting against speech is fundamentally anti-American.

Re: Senate passes TikTok ban bill, sending it to President Biden's desk

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Post by elfbargpt »

labrador wrote: post #73
elfbargpt wrote: post #72

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I guess we'll find out. I'll be waiting with bated breath for the collapse in Palestinian support once ByteDance no longer runs TikTok.

It'd be nice if Gen Z became less anti-American. America deserved it in the Vietnam war. Now, not so much.

I guess my point is: it seems like a lot of people believe China is subtly manipulating public opinion via TikTok, but I think it's more likely that these feelings are just organic and they surface in TikTok because people agree with them.

Re: Senate passes TikTok ban bill, sending it to President Biden's desk

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Post by labrador »

nullindividual wrote: post #86
labrador wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I get the impression it's less about constructive criticism and more about hating America by the scenes of young protestors in America burning the flag of the United States. Both the left and the right should be mindful of not becoming traitors giving comfort to enemies that would like to destroy our goverment and make America their colony.

Burning the American flag does not make for a traitor. It makes for an individual expressing the greatest right we have — freedom of speech. Suppressing freedom of speech is the most anti-American stance one could take.

I don't give a shit about flags but as a veteran it still pains me. I think flag burners like Koran burners just like causing pain.

Re: Senate passes TikTok ban bill, sending it to President Biden's desk

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Post by FractalHQ »

vsnf wrote: post #55
tayo42 wrote: post #44

I don't care either way. I think it'll be really interesting to see how people react to this though. Do Americans learn how vpns work suddenly, do tiktok users just switch to reels like nothing happened. Do we snap out of our social media trance. It's like playing sim city and causing a little social chaos lol

> do tiktok users just switch to reels like nothing happened Yeah. The content there is already crossposted from TikTok anyway, now it will just be created there by default. Zero functional difference. Plus the YouTube Shorts algorithm has gotten a lot less overtly awful in the last year.

I just tested this and scrolled for a couple minutes straight — not one short was anything remotely substantive or interesting to me. An endless fountain of brain rot and offensively low quality content. Lots of it ai generated audio (wouldn’t be surprised if the content was too).

Is there something I’m doing wrong? Because mine is still very very bad. It seems to ignore my actual channel subscriptions and usual viewing habits entirely.

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