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Re: The man who killed Google Search?

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Post by Terr_ »

ytdytvhxgydvhh wrote: post #493
space_fountain wrote: post #491

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Yes, but I think the other lesson might be that those black box machine translations have ended up being more valuable? It sucks when things don't always work, but that is also kind of life and if the AI version worked more often that is usually ok (as long as the occasional failures aren't so catastrophic as to ruin everything)

Can’t help but read that and think of Tesla’s Autopilot and “Full Self Driving”. For some comparisons they claim to be safer per mile than human drivers … just don’t think too much about the error modes where the occasional stationary object isn’t detected and you plow into it at highway speed.

Or in some cases, the Tesla slows down, then changes its mind and starts accelerating again to run over child-like obstructions.

Ex: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URpTJ1Xpjuk&t=293s

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Post by fuzztester »

AlexCoventry wrote: post #488
gverrilla wrote: post #411

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YT Shorts recommendations are a joke. I'm an atheist and very rarely watch anything related to religion, and even so Shorts put me in 3 or 4 live prayers/scams (not sure) the last few months.

YT Shorts itself is kind of a mystery to me. It's an objective degradation of the interface; why on earth would I want to use it? It doesn't even allow adjustment of the playback speed or scrubbing!

Solid point. Not to mention that Shorts content is mainly linkbait and/or garbage.

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Post by fuzztester »

delfinom wrote: post #439
gverrilla wrote: post #411

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YT Shorts recommendations are a joke. I'm an atheist and very rarely watch anything related to religion, and even so Shorts put me in 3 or 4 live prayers/scams (not sure) the last few months.

I imagine my blocked channels list is stress testing YouTube at this point from the amount of shit Shorts results it's fed me after 2 years. Lol Besides the religious crap, ill randomly get shit in India in hindu, having had not watched anything Indian and not even remotely Indian.

>in hindu

Hindi is the word for the language, bro.

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Post by makeitdouble »

fuzztester wrote: post #346
JohnFen wrote: post #264

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> where he argued against the other search leads that Google should use less machine-learning This better echoes my personal experience with the decline of Google search than TFA: it seems to be connected to the increasing use of ML in that the more of it Google put in, the worse the results I got were.

Same here with YouTube, assuming they use ML, which is likely. They routinely give me brain-dead suggestions such as to watch a video I just watched today or yesterday, among other absurdities.

I think it's probably pushing pattern it sees in other users.

There's videos I'll watch multiple times, music videos are the obvious kind, but for some others I'm just not watching/understanding it the first time and will go back and rewatch later.

But I guess youtube has no way to understand which one I'll rewatch and which other I don't want to see ever again, and if my behavior is used as training data for the other users like you, they're probably screwed.

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Post by fuzztester »

fuzztester wrote: post #479
dingnuts wrote: post #276

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this is my experience as well. sometimes I accidentally search Google and I find it extremely annoying and the results to be demonstrably worse most of the time the example I like to show people is searching "how to fix a leaky faucet" Kagi shows helpful answers and videos from sites like This Old House. Google shows ads for plumbers near me. If I had wanted a plumber, I would've searched for that.

>>the example I like to show people is searching "how to fix a leaky faucet" >Kagi shows helpful answers and videos from sites like This Old House. >Google shows ads for plumbers near me. If I had wanted a plumber, I would've searched for that. JFC. This illustrates one of my biggest complaints about current Google (which has been the case for sometime): They make their software behave as though they know what I (you…

>So they give you the results they think you need, rather than those you really want.

Correction: I should say, their stupid machine learning algorithms think you need.

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Post by paradox460 »

fireflash38 wrote: post #20

The tech fluff pieces are wild. And that entire paragraph about how the execs for Yahoo failed horribly, hired a new one, and that one lied about his degrees, and they hired another . People failing with golden parachutes, and others failing upwards into even more lucrative roles. I think that's the thing that is eating away at the core of our society: basic contracts like "fail and you won't get rewarded" or "succee…

Wired had a period where they were absolutely excellent, under Chris Anderson as their chief editor. When he left it was like a switch was thrown; wired almost immediately began to resemble GQ or other "general interest" magazines, with the only differentiating factor being asking the interviewee what apps they have on their iPhone

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Post by sakesun »

fuzztester wrote: post #346
JohnFen wrote: post #264

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> where he argued against the other search leads that Google should use less machine-learning This better echoes my personal experience with the decline of Google search than TFA: it seems to be connected to the increasing use of ML in that the more of it Google put in, the worse the results I got were.

Same here with YouTube, assuming they use ML, which is likely. They routinely give me brain-dead suggestions such as to watch a video I just watched today or yesterday, among other absurdities.

Install "Unhook" chrome extension. That changed my life.

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Post by karaterobot »

wepple wrote: post #392
A_D_E_P_T wrote: post #287

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Yeah. But what do you expect when the boss comes from McKinsey? Not only does the place teach a particular skillset, it also selects for very peculiar employees. It would be downright weird if an ex-McKinsey employee were anything like a decent engineer.

Are there known examples of ex-McKinsey employees that are generally considered a force for good in general?

The best manager I ever had was an ex-McKinsey consultant. Extremely empathetic, super competent, good dude. I have not worked with him for years but still text him for advice, and he delivers. I suppose that there are people who left McKinsey because they thought they could make more money elsewhere, and people who left McKinsey because they realized they made a huge mistake working there.

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Post by tigen »

resource_waste wrote: post #327
lo_fye wrote: post #37

The thing I love about this story is that it demonstrates that even in a global mega-organization, a single person can make a huge difference, for better (Gomes) or for worse (Raghavan).

>a single person can make a huge difference, This is probably the most true thing. It might depend on the person and the environment, but there are certainly people you cannot discount.

I'm not sure why people buy into the idea of this being down to an underling and not the CEO. Generally, the way this type of management structure works, it all heavily depends on the direction and incentives in place from the top down. And obviously it is not an underling that decides to replace someone with himself.

Now, let's look at how the corporate investors that hired that CEO operate.

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