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The failure of the Domino's 30-minute delivery guarantee

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Re: The failure of the Domino's 30-minute delivery guarantee

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A guarantee memorably parodied in the setting of Snow Crash.

i heard snow crash was a great book so i start reading it. immediatley it gets deep into pizza, the deliverator, the extreme attention to on time delivery, universities that specialize in franchising a pizza shop and then a little farther on you learn part of the book takes place in the virtual internet world. and i’m absolutely sure the pizza stuff is all part of this virtual world… one of my favorite books

Hiro/the deliverator, YT, and most of the characters inhabit meatspace and "jack in" to the metaverse. Plenty is virtual but the dystopian pizza delivery is real

Re: The failure of the Domino's 30-minute delivery guarantee

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Pathfinding algorithms are absolutely artificial intelligence. A* and so on were invented in just that sort of research. It may not be AGI, but that was never claimed.

If I write an if statement, is that AI?

No, but if you wrote a thousand if statements two decades ago it might be.

Re: The failure of the Domino's 30-minute delivery guarantee

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Is this necessarily a bad thing? Do we want to make it easy for someone to "start over" when that means instead of driving bags of food around they're now driving around people?

The scoring system doesn't necessarily reflect reality. Separately, there is a drive towards a sort of "social credit rating" that I do think is a bad thing. In the narrower space of having a criminal history, the US is very different in how that affects people that have done their time. Any company can do a dirt-cheap background check, this makes people close to unemployable. In other countries, like Australia, empl…

Some US states have now adopted "ban the box" legislation which prohibits asking job candidates about criminal history (at least for certain jobs). Of course, it's still tough to explain a 10-year employment gap on a CV.

https://www.nelp.org/publication/ban-the-box-fair-chance-hir...

Re: The failure of the Domino's 30-minute delivery guarantee

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I remember once I bought a car and the salesman said if I had any reservations about giving him a 10/10 on every question in the survey no matter what it was that I should text or call his personal phone and he'd do whatever he could to fix it, also directly saying that it's better for them to have 95% of people not fill it out at all and get 10/10 from everyone else than to have 100% completion with a single 9/10. I…

This is classic Goodhart's Law stuff[1]. The key takeaway is that any company that implement these kinds of incentives doesn't actually give a shit about customer experience, they just like to play pretend. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goodhart%27s_law

No, the key takeaway is that they probably shouldn't be relying on ratings to the extent that they are.

Re: The failure of the Domino's 30-minute delivery guarantee

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Chilling ending to the article: > Gig drivers don’t face an edict for speed like past Domino’s drivers, but Wells says the requirement to be fast is built into the job, with drivers hurrying to make financial incentives, avoid bad ratings, and ensure the food is warm upon delivery. Annoying corporate policy replaced by society taking a wrong turn to being driven by ratings on the I internet - that we unlike the bad p…

> society taking a wrong turn to being driven by ratings on the I internet Workers being driven by ratings systems pre-dates the popularity of Internet gig economy jobs. By a lot. The customer ratings concept even infected places like your local doctor’s office a couple decades ago. Doctors have been complaining about how patient satisfaction surveys have discouraged them from bringing up obesity, smoking, or excessi…

It's much broader than that.

Having people with little to no understanding of work evaluate and exercise power over it has been foundational for capitalism since its beginning.

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The solution is not to provide assistance to underpaid illegals. Better to penalize the company for hiring and underpaying them.

Ok so having roughly doubled the cost of restaurant meals what's our next move?

Not eat out often. Only on special occasions.

Re: The failure of the Domino's 30-minute delivery guarantee

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I remember once I bought a car and the salesman said if I had any reservations about giving him a 10/10 on every question in the survey no matter what it was that I should text or call his personal phone and he'd do whatever he could to fix it, also directly saying that it's better for them to have 95% of people not fill it out at all and get 10/10 from everyone else than to have 100% completion with a single 9/10. I…

This is classic Goodhart's Law stuff[1]. The key takeaway is that any company that implement these kinds of incentives doesn't actually give a shit about customer experience, they just like to play pretend. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goodhart%27s_law

From the story it seems like they just like to deny bonuses on flimsy pretexts.

Re: The failure of the Domino's 30-minute delivery guarantee

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I was a delivery driver for Dominos during that time. My manager (bless her heart, truly) was always saying "DO NOT SPEED OR BE DANGEROUS"; we had literally zero incentives to be on time, or at least we weren't punished if we weren't.

The markup on delivered pizza at THAT time was in the 800% range, so a free pie now and again wasn't going to hurt that much. A lawsuit over a crash probably would, though.

I suspect I was lucky there.

Re: The failure of the Domino's 30-minute delivery guarantee

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The insane thing is people trying to make a livable wage off of "gigs". We should stop pretending this is or ever can be reasonable full-time employment. Driving for apps is something you do on the weekend to supplement your day job, or during school hours as a stay at home spouse or whatever.

> The insane thing is people trying to make a livable wage off of "gigs". > We should stop pretending this is or ever can be reasonable full-time employment. Hypothetically, imagine a society that required welfare claimants to accept any job they were offered. If any would not work, neither should he eat. Should such a society allow shitty/exploitative/dangerous jobs to exist, and force welfare claimants to work them…

> If any would not work, neither should he eat.

Ironically, that is one of the original "10 planks of communism" by Marx and Engels (i.e. "The liability of all to labour").

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