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Chinese students in US tell of 'chilling' interrogations and deportations

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Re: Chinese students in US tell of 'chilling' interrogations and deportations

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Post by fakedang »

TimJRobinson wrote: post #10
powerapple wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Australia is full of CCPs, especially corrupted officials, Canada and Australia are popular destinations because it is first world country with immigration policy. (especially their kids don't study well and are spoiled, it is not a problem for Australia apparently) Actually most students go to US are amongst the best students from China, either top students or really hardworking students, and most of them will be ex…

Foreign students pay 2-3x as much as Australians do to study in Australia. Allowing rich Chinese children to study abroad contributes a lot to Australia's economy and those high fees subsidise everyone else which allows keeping local tuition low, which is why Australia is so open to them.

This is the same argument pushed by US and UK universities with huge numbers of foreign students, but how is that reflected in the tuition rates for local students? All that does is pay for an even more over bloated yet ever expanding university system.

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Post by throwaway743 »

asimpleusecase wrote: post #3

https://www.voanews.com/amp/us-beijing-aim-to-boost-number-o... These days, only about 700 American students are studying at Chinese universities, down from a peak of close to 25,000 a decade ago, while there are nearly 300,000 Chinese students at U.S. schools. To add just a bit of context. I’m sure that foreign students have no restrictions placed on entry to the country, places visited nor are there any restriction…

VOA being referenced unironically?

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Post by methuselah_in »

As open is America with academics and western countries, other countries are just not that open. Until the feeling of grab only and don't give back it's horrible. Take example of Linux just half of developing countries hardly contribute. Best example is aosp. People want to have roms but don't want to pay

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Post by Qem »

methuselah_in wrote: post #13

As open is America with academics and western countries, other countries are just not that open. Until the feeling of grab only and don't give back it's horrible. Take example of Linux just half of developing countries hardly contribute. Best example is aosp. People want to have roms but don't want to pay

> Take example of Linux just half of developing countries hardly contribute.

It's because Microsoft, a company with headquarters in a developed country, keeps bribing their officials for them to to ignore free software: https://www.theverge.com/2022/3/25/22995144/microsoft-foreig...

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Post by aaron695 »

asimpleusecase wrote: post #3

https://www.voanews.com/amp/us-beijing-aim-to-boost-number-o... These days, only about 700 American students are studying at Chinese universities, down from a peak of close to 25,000 a decade ago, while there are nearly 300,000 Chinese students at U.S. schools. To add just a bit of context. I’m sure that foreign students have no restrictions placed on entry to the country, places visited nor are there any restriction…

> only about 700 American students are studying at Chinese

This is ~100% COVID

https://www.statista.com/statistics/374169/china-number-of-s...

Australia had the same lockdowns as China, but because they had remote learning it didn't change a lot - https://www.statista.com/statistics/430276/number-of-chinese...

Education is Australia biggest export after selling their dirt from their massive continent (75% of the USA with 8% of the pop) - https://thekoalanews.com/education-as-an-export-for-australi...

Why China is allowing it's citizens be propagandized by living their formative years in free democracies is crazy. They should have stopped their students leaving after COVID.

We should make the most of Xi mistake, or get ready for war and keep sanctioning them and their products. Just chose a direction.

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Post by UncleEntity »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #6
zer00eyz wrote: post #2

I dont even know where to start with this article. They added in the wif of racism with the covid tie in just to make it sensational. We do have a score board for this you know: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Chinese_spy_cases_in_t... VS https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010–2012_killing_of_CIA_sourc... Also note, that Americans were getting their shit taken and copied at the border forever. The border being a no…

There was a time when I was always getting stopped and interrogated at customs coming into Seattle from Beijing. No one else on the Hainan flight I arrived on mind you, just me…I was the only white guy in the crowd of passengers who looked mostly Chinese also. Pretty sure they were profiling me, maybe they were just more suspicious of Americans?

Drugs...

Or you had something unusual going on. They were very concerned when I was trying to fly from Amsterdam to the US on a one way ticket because I had a passport stamp from Iraq which, at the time, was impossible to get unless you were involved with government operations.

And this one time I was stopped by Border Patrol at the Phoenix Greyhound station with zero reasonable articulable suspicion as a 30-something white male who, incidentally, lived in Phoenix.

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Post by throwaway48476 »

powerapple wrote: post #5
angry_octet wrote: post #4

It's surprising how few Chinese people study in America. With a population 1/14th of America, Australia has 150,000 Chinese students. The US entry refusals should be familiar fare to Chinese citizens though, as their Govt employs stochastic enforcement all the time, including for censorship and as part of trade disputes. It sucks for the individuals, but this really isn't about them, it's about the CCP and it's ongoi…

Australia is full of CCPs, especially corrupted officials, Canada and Australia are popular destinations because it is first world country with immigration policy. (especially their kids don't study well and are spoiled, it is not a problem for Australia apparently) Actually most students go to US are amongst the best students from China, either top students or really hardworking students, and most of them will be ex…

Do you think Xi Jinpings daughter studied in the US due to merit or corruption?

Re: Chinese students in US tell of 'chilling' interrogations and deportations

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Post by TrackerFF »

Don't really see why that's surprising.

If you are from:

- China

- Russia

- Iran

- North-Korea

- Pakistan

And some other countries, you should absolutely expect full to be under full scrutiny if you plan on working with anything related to research and development (which includes academia), infrastructure, or anything that poses a national security risk.

The cold hard truth is that (especially) those nations send operatives and assets to western countries, for the single reason of espionage and intelligence gathering. This is such a known problem that said countries tend to send their people via proxy countries.

Of course, these agencies and people are not amateurs - and blending in by the numbers is just one way to make it harder to get caught, and unfortunately means legitimate people will have a harder time to get in.

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Post by Rinzler89 »

throwaway48476 wrote: post #17
powerapple wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Australia is full of CCPs, especially corrupted officials, Canada and Australia are popular destinations because it is first world country with immigration policy. (especially their kids don't study well and are spoiled, it is not a problem for Australia apparently) Actually most students go to US are amongst the best students from China, either top students or really hardworking students, and most of them will be ex…

Do you think Xi Jinpings daughter studied in the US due to merit or corruption?

How would anyone here know that? She's not even unde her real name but under a pseudonim.

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Post by Rinzler89 »

Qem wrote: post #14
methuselah_in wrote: post #13

As open is America with academics and western countries, other countries are just not that open. Until the feeling of grab only and don't give back it's horrible. Take example of Linux just half of developing countries hardly contribute. Best example is aosp. People want to have roms but don't want to pay

> Take example of Linux just half of developing countries hardly contribute. It's because Microsoft, a company with headquarters in a developed country, keeps bribing their officials for them to to ignore free software: https://www.theverge.com/2022/3/25/22995144/microsoft-foreig...

Even without bribes, Windows an Office are already so entrenched into any company and public institution and in the muscle memory of workers for decades at this point, that moving to something else means huge hurdles in terms of infra support and staff retraining, that it becomes the default acquisition choice by IT departments, even without bribes.
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