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Re: DuckDuckGo AI Chat

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Who would buy it? It seems like the kind of thing where they would lose all the people who use it if they sold to just about anyone who could buy it.

It’s just a Bing wrapper with Bing ads. What is there to sell?

What a disingenuous take.

Re: DuckDuckGo AI Chat

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Most people would not care, once a brand name is established it can sell out and continue to profit for at least 20 years or more. Proof is just about any footwear or fashion brand you care to think of.

People specifically use DDG for the sense of privacy they have established, and that works be shattered by a buyout. People who use DDG are savvy enough to change their default search engine, and therefore would not have trouble doing it again.

The people I know who use DDG do so because there are no ads, nothing more.

I agree, the original cohort of users may fit your description though.

Re: DuckDuckGo AI Chat

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Interesting they use the word 'private' in their strapline, after all they frame themselves as private search albeit they don't have their own search engine and market themselves as a privacy search engine. Their index is essentially Bing and they're hosted on Microsoft IPs. So not exactly ideal.

Re: DuckDuckGo AI Chat

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Pretty cool! I use Brave Search ( https://search.brave.com ) and it too got AI results a few months ago. They're quite helpful!

Fine, but this is a full chat interface rather than AI search results.

While Brave Search does include AI search results, they also include Leo in their browser which is a full chat interface as well. Baked right into the browser and sidebar.

Re: DuckDuckGo AI Chat

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Pretty disapointed that this is just a proxy in front of Claude and ChatGPT, I thought it would be some kind of DDG-hosted llama3 8B since the quality is now good enough with a 8B model.

We plan to add more models over time.

My complaint isn't about more models in fact, it's about not depending on OpenAI (and not feeding them with data and money), so I would rather have less models (just llama3) rather than more

Re: DuckDuckGo AI Chat

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See https://duckduckgo.com/aichat/privacy-terms " We do not save or store your Prompts or Outputs. Additionally, all metadata that contains personal information (for example, your IP address) is obfuscated from underlying model providers (for example, OpenAI, Anthropic). If you submit personal information in your Prompts, it may be reproduced in the Outputs, but no one can tell whether it was you personally submittin…

That’s a pretty disingenuous framing. Obviously the content of the communication- what you ask the chatbot - can totally be personally identifiable, and is stored. You aren’t providing communications content privacy, you’re providing a meta data proxy which is not remotely the same.

True, but it's also the best possible thing until they can run an LLM in your browser (or maybe we figure out how to do homomorphic encryption of neural networks).

What else should they call it? I suppose "anonymous" could work (i.e. they only know about you what you tell them).

Re: DuckDuckGo AI Chat

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I didn't know Claude until I saw it as an option for DDG chat model. What caught my attention was the tagline "instant". Interesting. I decided to give it a try with expectations to see answers coming up almost instantly. And they really did. I'm enjoying it so far.

For what it's worth, Claude instant is part of Anthropic's first generation of models. There have been two more since then. Today (3rd gen) they have haiku, sonnet, opus. Worth checking out. Opus is competitive (many say better) than GPT-4

Re: DuckDuckGo AI Chat

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Interesting they use the word 'private' in their strapline, after all they frame themselves as private search albeit they don't have their own search engine and market themselves as a privacy search engine. Their index is essentially Bing and they're hosted on Microsoft IPs. So not exactly ideal.

But none of your personal details are sent to Bing? Sure they get some SERPS from them, but DDG abstracts in front of Bing's API using your query without passing your data.

Re: DuckDuckGo AI Chat

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The messaging could be more clear, but is this substantively different from how search queries are handled when DuckDuckGo forwards them to Bing? Bing doesn’t know who made the search but could log the query itself.

> is this substantively different from how search queries are handled when DuckDuckGo forwards them to Bing? No, it is the exact same business model but applied to AI chat instead of search.

In other words, a lot of fuss about nothing.
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