Hardest problem in computer science: centering things

Post by dspillett » Thu, Apr 18, 2024, 9:24 AM UTC

bandrami wrote: post #210

bazoom42 wrote: post #95

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It is a weird myth that CSS somehow discourages tables. CSS have supported styling html tables and ‘display:table’ (allowing a table-like layout without html-tables) for 25 years. Float and clear was grandfathered into CSS since they were added to HTML by Netscape. They are fine for their intended purpose: placing images in a text and have the text flow around. Other positioning systems you mention does not solve the…

I absolutely remember a ton of pieces about how we all needed to stop using tables (and 1x1 transparent gifs, too) for page layout because CSS was The Right Way

Post by zamalek » Thu, Apr 18, 2024, 9:25 AM UTC

postalrat wrote: post #93

Animats wrote: post #72

That's because CSS layout was designed by people who thought "float" and "clear" were a good idea, tables were bad, and, when in doubt, make it Turing-complete and dump the problem on someone else. 2D and 3D tools get this right. CAD programs, game engines, and animation programs are all far better at positioning things. They have far better layout engines and constraint systems. This is really a constraint problem.…

Do the tools you say do it better than html also handle the variety of clients html documents are expected to work with? Or handle accessibility better?

Post by jiggawatts » Thu, Apr 18, 2024, 9:27 AM UTC

rogual wrote: post #193

BuyMyBitcoins wrote: post #105

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I’ve noticed these things all my life. Even as a young child I would point such things out and others would have trouble seeing it. Once I was diagnosed with autism, this tendency of mine made a lot more sense. I’m curious if other people detect interrupted or irregular patterns so readily. It’s like there’s a part of my brain just looking for anomalies and I can’t turn it off.

I have this with grammar. When I read modern websites, articles, papers, emails from HR, etc. with their sloppy English and comma-splices everywhere, it annoys me way too much and it's a real challenge to push on through and keep reading. It feels like walking through a maze, with an uneven floor and bad lighting, full of dead-ends, compared to walking down a pleasant, well-lit corridor.

Post by Semaphor » Thu, Apr 18, 2024, 9:32 AM UTC

cwillu wrote: post #202

Semaphor wrote: post #130

In case the author reads this: Please respect prefers-reduced-motion for your cute mouse cursors that wander over the screen in a very distracting fashion. In the meantime, as a fix for others, in uBo add tonsky.me##.pointers

I disagree, as that implicitly endorses this sort of distracting nonsense, because “there's a setting to turn it off if it bugs you”.

Post by TeMPOraL » Thu, Apr 18, 2024, 9:33 AM UTC

bazoom42 wrote: post #216

bandrami wrote: post #210

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I absolutely remember a ton of pieces about how we all needed to stop using tables (and 1x1 transparent gifs, too) for page layout because CSS was The Right Way

There is always a lot of confusion about this because “tables” can mean different things - it is both a set of structual elements in HTML and a layout model in CSS. CSS is “the right way” to control styling and layout, but that does not mean you can’t use tables. In the early days of the web people used the BLOCKQUOTE element to create margins since this was the only way. When CSS arrived, it became “the right way” t…