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Re: Covid infections are causing IQ drops and years of brain aging, studies suggest

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Post by shiroiushi »

bryanrasmussen wrote: post #73
max_ wrote: post #16

Is there any real world test where higher IQ people do better than anyone else deterministically? I am not talking about correlations. I am talking about people with higher IQ can solve X problem that people with lower IQs can't. Not the ability to spot back & white patterns on a screen. The riches people are not the highest IQ people The Noble Prize Winners are not the highest IQ people The best sports players are n…

this is just a guess but I'm betting that if you take the best Nobel Prize Winners, and the best Mathematicians and give them IQ tests their average will be higher than the average of the general population (or the mean if you will) the best sports players and best musicians I would also suppose were higher IQ on average than normal sports players (I suppose this term means professional athletes) and normal musicians…

>In the musicians category I wouldn't be surprised if the best musicians were also smarter than the general population.

I seriously doubt that, actually. Are they more musically gifted? Sure. Smarter overall? I'm not so sure. It would be an interesting study.

I imagine the ones who are both successful musicians and businesspeople (i.e., they run the business themselves mostly, in addition to being musicians) probably are very intelligent, because that requires a broad range of skills. The ones who are just good at playing an instrument or singing some lyrics that someone else wrote? Not so much.

Re: Covid infections are causing IQ drops and years of brain aging, studies suggest

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Post by prmoustache »

bratbag wrote: post #244
prmoustache wrote: post #208

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Working from home doesn't mean you are forced or even have any incentive to stay at home all day long.

When did I say I was forced? Are you actually responding to what I said, or are you just preemptively attacking what you (incorrectly) assume is an anti wfh statement?

I am just disputing the causality of that deficiency of vitamin D. WFH has nothing to do with the fact one doesn't spend some time outside every day.

Re: Covid infections are causing IQ drops and years of brain aging, studies suggest

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Post by shiroiushi »

max_ wrote: post #26
leovingi wrote: post #17

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Maintaining a high level of civilization

So when civilizations collapse like a Ancient Egyptian, Rome, Ancient China & Ancient Greece. What it the IQ that also dropped to cause the civilization collapse?

I think I read that most ancient civilizations collapsed because of environmental factors. The environment changed, and they couldn't cope with it for some reason (lack of technology was probably a big part).

As for China, I don't think that one ever "collapsed". It withdrew, but I don't think you can call it a "collapse" the way many other ancient civilizations did. Even Rome is a bit hard to call a full collapse: it degraded over the course of centuries, and eventually Europe turned to feudalism. The Roman Empire itself split apart, with the eastern part (in Constantinople) continuing for another 1000 years after the western side fell apart.

I think civilizations like the Assyrians and Hittites are better examples of civilizations that truly "collapsed": there's basically nothing left of them today, except some ruins.

Re: Covid infections are causing IQ drops and years of brain aging, studies suggest

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Post by skrebbel »

baseline-shift wrote: post #124
skrebbel wrote: post #98

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Yes. The symptoms started the day after her 3rd jab. Basically she got that “woa i got jabbed yesterday and feel like shit” thing many people got, but then it just never went away. She got covid 1.5 months after that jab so there’s no telling whether the jab or the covid was the key cause to her long-time postcovid. The covid infection itself wasn’t particularly heavy. We very much want to stay out of the “covid vacc…

The earliest vaccines injected at tiny amount of the disease, from smallpox on. So she probably expected to feel like shit, and that's why she felt like shit. However the covid vaccines did not have any covid in them. So there is no way she got a taste of covid shittyness. Most traditional vaccines consist of either killed or weakened forms of a virus or bacterium. These provoke an immune response that allows the bod…

“Well actually, your sick wife couldn’t have gotten sick when she got sick”

I know I said I wouldn’t respond to this but I can’t not. Do you understand how unkind you’re being? You don’t understand how postcovid works because nobody does. Maybe it’s not caused directly by the virus but by the immune response, or something else entirely, or a combination of 7 things, who knows. I’m telling you it started the day after her third jab. This is n=1 stuff, not generalizable science, but you’re suggesting that my wife is imagining things for 2 years and counting now, which you can apparently diagnose by reading an internet comment or two, and I’m saying it’s not nice to piss on people with real problems like that. Please try to be less dismissive.

Re: Covid infections are causing IQ drops and years of brain aging, studies suggest

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Post by mike_hearn »

pw201 wrote: post #264
mike_hearn wrote: post #172

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The ONS data cannot be used that way unfortunately, and the ONS themselves have admitted to that fact. If you take the ONS data literally then COVID vaccines are a magical elixir of luck that protect against every cause of death including car crashes. There are at least two problems: 1. The statistically invalid time-windowing games the public health agencies all played in which people who had taken vaccines were cla…

> The statistically invalid time-windowing games the public health agencies all played in which people who had taken vaccines were classed as unvaccinated As I have just replied to the other commenter, the ONS data he appears to object to categorises various "vaccinated" categories starting immediately after vaccination. The regulator's reply to Fenton makes this clear: https://osr.statisticsauthority.gov.uk/correspo…

Humpherson simply says that "ONS ... do receive data in [people within two weeks of vaccination], and that the individual would fall into the ‘vaccinated’ category" which is a meaningless tautology, as the entire argument is about the definition of vaccinated used by the public health agencies.

Invalid definitions are a very real and pervasive problem, not only being standard in the public health literature but also standard practice for public health agencies. Fenton has compiled a partial (!) list of papers and studies which do this:

https://wherearethenumbers.substack.com/p/the-very-best-of-c...

Note that UK HSA and studies using ONS data are shown to use invalid definitions.

> the ASMR calculation now uses data linked to the 2021 census which covers around 91% of the population

They say it does, but the UK government doesn't really the true population size. They've admitted this in the past. The 2021 census is unlikely to have solved it given that the civil service doesn't really want to know (if they could actually get full coverage, then they could identify every illegal immigrant). This showed up badly during COVID where more people came forward to be vaccinated than theoretically existed at all in certain age groups. They also told people that only a small percentage of the population was unvaccinated, but when the BBC commissioned a poll as part of a programme they were making (on misinformation!) around 25% of respondents said they were unvaccinated, a huge gap.

So the data quality here is of garbage grade in almost every respect, which is a scandal. People who just tune out and decide nothing governments say on the topic can be trusted are well within reasonable bounds.

Re: Covid infections are causing IQ drops and years of brain aging, studies suggest

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Post by baobabKoodaa »

Izkata wrote: post #266
baobabKoodaa wrote: post #222

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I didn't downvote, but I'll answer anyway: there was a propaganda campaign of unprecedented scale espousing the "safety" of these covid vaccines (which didn't go through the normal, rigorous testing process that vaccines usually go through). The propaganda was so successful that a large percentage of the population is still fanatically making false claims about vaccine safety, despite the large number of people who r…

Most of them seem to be convinced it was because of finally getting infected (just scroll around this page for a bunch of examples), and I think they're half right. Late 2022 there was a paper about how the mRNA vaccines caused the body to produce more IgG4 antibodies*, which, simplified, are a sort of "stand down" antibody meant for things like dust and pollen. I think in at least some people the mRNA vaccines appea…

I have a family member who got severe symptoms after each vaccine shot. For the first 3 shots the symptoms eventually subsided. For the 4th shot they didn't. And it's been a few years now. I suspect it's a chronic condition.

Coming back to your point, is it possible that my family member - just by pure coincidence - happened to get covid immediately after each shot? 4 times?

Re: Covid infections are causing IQ drops and years of brain aging, studies suggest

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Post by resource_waste »

abyssin wrote: post #200
resource_waste wrote: post #191

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I'm pretty scared to look into many mental health issues. I know a buddy who had a super mild case of tourette syndrome but after he researched things started getting worse. On a similar note, I had some mild PTSD symptoms until I looked into it, then I started having additional symptoms(or at least I was noticing them now). On the flip side having ChatGPT4 combine my PTSD with phenomenology, positive psychology, and…

Could you give more explanations about how you’ve been using ChatGPT to get better?

Say your problem, say you want to use CBT/Positive Psychology/Phenomenology (pick one).

Play along with it, I had some pretty eye opening moments during Eidetic variation of Phenomenology, but that was me personally. I think CBT/Stoicism may be able to help people who havent been corrupted by Nietzsche-like ideas.

Re: Covid infections are causing IQ drops and years of brain aging, studies suggest

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Post by pw201 »

mike_hearn wrote: post #275
pw201 wrote: post #264

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The statistically invalid time-windowing games the public health agencies all played in which people who had taken vaccines were classed as unvaccinated As I have just replied to the other commenter, the ONS data he appears to object to categorises various "vaccinated" categories starting immediately after vaccination. The regulator's reply to Fenton makes this clear: https://osr.statisticsauthority.gov.uk/correspo…

Humpherson simply says that "ONS ... do receive data in [people within two weeks of vaccination], and that the individual would fall into the ‘vaccinated’ category" which is a meaningless tautology, as the entire argument is about the definition of vaccinated used by the public health agencies. Invalid definitions are a very real and pervasive problem, not only being standard in the public health literature but also…

> which is a meaningless tautology, as the entire argument is about the definition of vaccinated used by the public health agencies.

The ONS mortality stats linked to by kadkadels at the start of the thread contain data related to people who received at least one COVID vaccine (counted from the day they received it, subdivided by time since reception and number of boosters), as well as an unvaccinated category who never did. This is clear to anyone who read the link that kadkadels posted.

Both you and armchairdweller falsely claimed that the unvaccinated category included people who received the vaccine less than N days ago, presumably because you believe that some deaths caused by the vaccine shortly after people receive it are hidden by these stats. But in fact, the vaccinated category starts from the day of vaccination, the unvaccinated tended to die more back when COVID was new, and the ASMR for unvaccinated and vaccinated converged by about the end of 2022, presumably because we've nearly all had COVID at least once so being vaxed now isn't doing a whole lot of good. Both the "vax did more harm than good" crowd and the "we should still be wearing masks" crowd are wrong.

Fenton is in HART, and HART are off their collective rockers, as we knew pretty early on when their internal chats were leaked. See https://www.logically.ai/articles/hart-files-anti-vaccine-my... and https://twitter.com/_johnbye/status/1421397013078360064 for example, and my own small part in pointing out that all the astroturfing groups identified by Neil O'Brien MP were hosted on a single IP address (HART almost immediately moved, lol): https://twitter.com/nameandnature/status/1352998804832870402

Though the prime mover, Narice Bernard, seems to have moved on to newer conspiracies involving "climate lockdowns" and "15 minute cities", people who conclude that nothing HART say on COVID topics can trusted are well within reasonable bounds.

Re: Covid infections are causing IQ drops and years of brain aging, studies suggest

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Post by abyssin »

resource_waste wrote: post #277
abyssin wrote: post #200

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could you give more explanations about how you’ve been using ChatGPT to get better?

Say your problem, say you want to use CBT/Positive Psychology/Phenomenology (pick one). Play along with it, I had some pretty eye opening moments during Eidetic variation of Phenomenology, but that was me personally. I think CBT/Stoicism may be able to help people who havent been corrupted by Nietzsche-like ideas.

Thanks for the details. Would you agree to contact me on Signal using the link in my profile?

Re: Covid infections are causing IQ drops and years of brain aging, studies suggest

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Post by kelipso »

p0w3n3d wrote: post #85
jl6 wrote: post #35

The title is misleading, at least on the IQ claim. The underlying study was observational and did not claim causation. Medical journals and their associated media summaries are awash with low-certainty studies that get de-nuanced and overhyped. These studies are relatively easy to do - not to denigrate the work put in by the original study authors (it’s not their fault the press sensationalize their work). But for st…

I experienced some limitations of cognitive abilities but not sure was it due to COVID or some sort of depression

Yeah, same thing here. Pretty significant drop in cognitive abilities I feel like.
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