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Covid infections are causing IQ drops and years of brain aging, studies suggest

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Re: Covid infections are causing IQ drops and years of brain aging, studies suggest

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I'll bet surgeons wear masks for more time than most people did during COVID, but we don't see surgeon IQs tanking.

Surgical masks are for droplets, not air filtration.

The medical grade face mask respirators have electric fans to provide air flow as well to prevent precisely this.

Re: Covid infections are causing IQ drops and years of brain aging, studies suggest

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Well, in that case, good that Australia isn't the only country in the world: https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsde... which clearly shows that all-cause deaths in England were higher among the unvaccinated. Here is a Reuters fact check: https://www.reuters.com/fact-check/no-evidence-link-uk-exces...

The UK ONS data used to have the obvious flaw that people dropping dead 3 days after their first dose were defined as „unvaccinated“. In this regard, the significant uptick in deaths in summer 2021 in „unvaccinated“ looked interesting to say the least. How are they doing their definitions now? Could not find it. Meanwhile this new Dutch data looks quite interesting, maybe someone here would like to give it a shot: ht…

The ONS data linked the comment you're replying to is clear that it counts "vaccinated" from the day of vaccination. What ONS data are you referring to which "used to have the obvious flaw that people dropping dead 3 days after their first dose were defined as unvaccinated"?

> By now there is a hell lot of data pointing at issues with the novel pharmaceutical product.

Where?

Re: Covid infections are causing IQ drops and years of brain aging, studies suggest

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Even just 15 mins in the sun helps vitamin D levels so walking from the house to the car into the office and back again is enough to make a difference compared to not going out at all, no?

You mean some people only go out to work? If true, OK, I was wrong about WFH/hybrid being superior to RTO, I guess different people mean different habits.

People who only go outside during daylight hours to go to the office are a bit of a symptom of a problem, not really a solution.

Re: Covid infections are causing IQ drops and years of brain aging, studies suggest

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Well, in that case, good that Australia isn't the only country in the world: https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsde... which clearly shows that all-cause deaths in England were higher among the unvaccinated. Here is a Reuters fact check: https://www.reuters.com/fact-check/no-evidence-link-uk-exces...

The ONS data cannot be used that way unfortunately, and the ONS themselves have admitted to that fact. If you take the ONS data literally then COVID vaccines are a magical elixir of luck that protect against every cause of death including car crashes. There are at least two problems: 1. The statistically invalid time-windowing games the public health agencies all played in which people who had taken vaccines were cla…

> The statistically invalid time-windowing games the public health agencies all played in which people who had taken vaccines were classed as unvaccinated

As I have just replied to the other commenter, the ONS data he appears to object to categorises various "vaccinated" categories starting immediately after vaccination. The regulator's reply to Fenton makes this clear: https://osr.statisticsauthority.gov.uk/correspondence/ed-hum...

I assume this reply is what you refer to when you say that the ONS admit the data cannot be used that way. However, since that reply, the ASMR calculation now uses data linked to the 2021 census which covers around 91% of the population. Paul Mainwood graphed the ASMRs here: https://twitter.com/PaulMainwood/status/1627979309812965381

I see no evidence here that being vaccinated makes you more likely to die, which is what the original thread was about.

Re: Covid infections are causing IQ drops and years of brain aging, studies suggest

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Also in every study we need a control group. How do you know for sure that the control group didn't get COVID. For all I know there is no way to know for sure you haven't been infected or sick of Covid in those 4 years, it is not like testing has been very reliable.

I know for damn sure I didn't get COVID yet. I don't go outside I don't work I haven't since I really graduated from high school years and years and years ago because I'm disabled and I got three vaccines so far but the rare time I leave the house for groceries I'm always fully masked in a 3M n95. I've never came down with symptoms and I live alone, I'm pretty ideal unless I got asymptomatic at some point.

About a third of infections were completely asymptomatic, so that's not unlikely at all.

Re: Covid infections are causing IQ drops and years of brain aging, studies suggest

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Thank you for your honesty. Maybe one of the downvoters would like to explain why he / she finds this question so emotionally triggering.

I didn't downvote, but I'll answer anyway: there was a propaganda campaign of unprecedented scale espousing the "safety" of these covid vaccines (which didn't go through the normal, rigorous testing process that vaccines usually go through). The propaganda was so successful that a large percentage of the population is still fanatically making false claims about vaccine safety, despite the large number of people who r…

Most of them seem to be convinced it was because of finally getting infected (just scroll around this page for a bunch of examples), and I think they're half right. Late 2022 there was a paper about how the mRNA vaccines caused the body to produce more IgG4 antibodies*, which, simplified, are a sort of "stand down" antibody meant for things like dust and pollen.

I think in at least some people the mRNA vaccines appear to work by suppressing symptoms (which also explains Pfizer's 95% effective, in that trial they only tested people who actually showed symptoms first), but actually they allow the virus to run rampant when the person is eventually infected. So the association is with the virus instead of the vaccines, and they assume it would have been worse without when we just really don't know.

* https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciimmunol.ade2798

Re: Covid infections are causing IQ drops and years of brain aging, studies suggest

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It's almost impossible to compare IQ tests across countries, because cognition test results are really only valid for people from the cultural context the test was written for.

It's not about comparing IQ between countries, it's about pre covid IQ scores with post covid IQ scores within the same country

If two countries both report a 5-point shift, how do you know the shift is actually the same size if the points are counted differently?

Perhaps the actual change was bigger or smaller but the approach to measurement highlighted the change more or less strongly. There's no statistical validity to be had.

Re: Covid infections are causing IQ drops and years of brain aging, studies suggest

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> There are studies that have been done comparing people who had COVID-19, versus people who didn't, and then gave them cognitive testing to measure their ability to cognitively process information and test their IQ. And there's very clear differences in the IQ of people who had been infected with COVID-19 versus people who did not. Even mild COVID can give people about a three-point loss of IQ. That sounds like an o…

I guess the title wouldn't have been as interesting if it was "Stupid people more likely to get covid"

There might also be a third thing (or many) that causes both.

Re: Covid infections are causing IQ drops and years of brain aging, studies suggest

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The title is misleading, at least on the IQ claim. The underlying study was observational and did not claim causation. Medical journals and their associated media summaries are awash with low-certainty studies that get de-nuanced and overhyped. These studies are relatively easy to do - not to denigrate the work put in by the original study authors (it’s not their fault the press sensationalize their work). But for st…

It says "studies suggest"; how much more hedging do you want?

The studies don't actually 'suggest' any causality. Just like the studies in question don't suggest that the moon is made of cheese. So you wouldn't want to write either in a headline.

'Covid infections associated with IQ drops and years of brain aging, studies suggest'.

You can even remove the 'studies suggest' part in that case to get just 'Covid infections associated with IQ drops and years of brain aging'

Re: Covid infections are causing IQ drops and years of brain aging, studies suggest

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Also in every study we need a control group. How do you know for sure that the control group didn't get COVID. For all I know there is no way to know for sure you haven't been infected or sick of Covid in those 4 years, it is not like testing has been very reliable.

I know for damn sure I didn't get COVID yet. I don't go outside I don't work I haven't since I really graduated from high school years and years and years ago because I'm disabled and I got three vaccines so far but the rare time I leave the house for groceries I'm always fully masked in a 3M n95. I've never came down with symptoms and I live alone, I'm pretty ideal unless I got asymptomatic at some point.

Yes, but you are also very different from the average person. So not real useful as a control group for typical people.
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