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For a long time, search engines weren't nearly as SEO-gamed as they are now
You could bring back web directories.
r/opendirectories
We need to rewild the internet
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Re: We need to rewild the internet
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> We cannot tell all people below certain IQ to just stop using the internet What, why not? It couldn't be that hard to trick them.
Blocking other users that (probably) did nothing wrong is always the first thing that comes to mind.
Do people with bigger IQ is more ethical, more friendly, more interesting, more liberal to different views?
Do people here is more ethical, more friendly, more interesting, more liberal to different views?
Re: We need to rewild the internet
#243Earlier quoted context omitted.
I was just thinking today that I should just start posting my stuff on a personal site. Photos, blogs, life updates, etc. It gives me that control that I want, and I don't have to worry about Meta, etc trying to monetize it. Plus I get to unplug from those "n liked your post" dopamine hits.
My daughter asked me to set her up with a blog on her own server. We did it, and there is now a Hello World post somewhere out there on the web. But it wasn't a good experience, compared to what I know posting on Instagram is like. And that's just on the publishing side. The chances of her site being even indexed, let alone visited, is tiny. It's surprising* that rolling your own on the web has gotten harder, not eas…
But why care about whether your daughter's site is indexed. Share it with friends and if there is actually interesting content on there they will share it further. This whole idea that search engines are the be all and end all of being on the web and once you have visitors you need to somehow capture them is a big part of what is wrong with the web IMO. I much prefer a more organic web where people put themselves out there and don't worry much about it becoming popular or worse, profitable. Do it for yourself or a select group of people you actually know and can interact with, not faceless Referrer: google visitiors.
Re: We need to rewild the internet
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The current moment is great if you never need to find an old book, fix an old car, fix an old house, identify an old variety of plant, or any of a thousand other things. Basically, if you have no other interests, responsibilities, or desires other than fads, like a child. That's fine. Otherwise, there are decades of useful experience of large groups of human out there to be mined. It can often save you thousands of d…
Funnily, the walled garden often gives people the impression that it is not walled but in fact infinite. I‘m always shocked at how many people don‘t realize how little information is accessible on the internet anymore. Yes, as soon as you need something that isn‘t faddish/of the immediate current moment (especially if you‘re not trying to buy something), the internet fails. There is so much useful info that is extrem…
No, that information is still on the internet. It's just Google/Bing/etc. who fail to find it.
Re: We need to rewild the internet
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Then it isn't around. It's walled off. And it will disappear.
It would disappear anyway. All those personal webpages will be lost in time, like images hosted on long-dead servers and phpbb forums. "Internet never forgets" is one of these naive fairytales we told ourselves when we were young and internet was new, along with "information wants to be free", "censorship on the internet is impossible", and "easy access to information helps democracy". I prefer open web for sentiment…
> It would disappear anyway. All those personal webpages will be lost in time, like images hosted on long-dead servers and phpbb forums.
Some will disappear. Others are maintained, sometimes by third parties. Many of them are on web.archive.org. Yes, we should build better solutions to retain random personal webpages but the sitations isn't really that dire.
> "Internet never forgets"
This has alwasy been in the context of things you want the internet to forget and it still holds true.
> "information wants to be free"
And it does - once something leaks it is hard to put it back into the bag.
> "censorship on the internet is impossible"
I don't recall this claim but depending on how you look at things isn't really wrong: Is there any kind of information that you can't find on the internet because someone wants to hide it? Yes, some parts of the web are censored but remember the internet is not just the web and even on the web highly controversial websites can cling to life.
> "easy access to information helps democracy"
It does. Most people do not have easy access to information, at best they have a highly curated selection that the media wants them to see. They could avail themselves to the full picture but are conditioned not to.
Re: We need to rewild the internet
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That stuff is still around, it's just on Discord and VRChat now.
Discord for me is chat & FOMO. I'm not into that, so if Discord or other chat walled gardens are the answer, then I've lost.
It's really sad to see how many open source projects have made Discord their primary discussion space. It's even worse for anything game related.
Re: We need to rewild the internet
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We don't need to ban "normies" from the internet, we just need to build a parallel web and put our content there. Stop caring about SEO and discoverability. Stop trying to build a brand. Share things you create. Link to things you like. That's it. And this parallel web exists. It's the original web. It didn't go away just because Google doesn't show it to you. It's still fun and full of creativity. Social media denizens have already chosen to voluntarily exclude themselves from it.
Re: We need to rewild the internet
#249Self hosting is definitely the way toward rewilding the internet. If everyone ran their own blogs, chats, email, etc. and let their systems federate thru protocol rather than on a single platform, the forests will thrive again.
I already have plenty of hobbies, though -- the ones I want to write about on my blog. I don't need self-hosting to be a new hobby. I would love if I could pay a "gardener" to maintain my self-hosted stuff. My hardware (that's one hobby!), my bandwidth, my choice of non-invasive species (informed by consultation with the gardener, which ones they'd like to maintain), but ultimately someone else does the planting, the…
> the single sign-on integration
Maybe just don't overcomplicate things and you won't need to hire a gardener. A static website is not that hard and you can minimize how much infrastructure you need to maintain yourself to pretty much zero.
Re: We need to rewild the internet
#250Self hosting is definitely the way toward rewilding the internet. If everyone ran their own blogs, chats, email, etc. and let their systems federate thru protocol rather than on a single platform, the forests will thrive again.
I wonder if self-hosting away from giant cloud providers like AWS, Azure and GCloud would be better for the internet too. Self host at home should be much more common than it is…
There's a big step between big cloud and being your own hosting provider. A more traditional VPS (or dedicated server for larger sites) is more reasonable for most and since you control all the software it should be relatively easy to switch to another prover or move to a completely self hosted setup if you need to / want to.