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We need to rewild the internet

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Re: We need to rewild the internet

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Post by diggum »

properbrew wrote: post #77
urda wrote: post #2

More people should be tending their "digital gardens" just to have something to curate and share. Bring back the weird, the odd, the deep-dives into topics you never imagined having such detail, bring back the strange animated GIFS, the websites always "under construction", give me your weird, give me your odd, this should be everyone's place to be free.

If you haven't checked out the "Surpise me" button on https://wiby.me I strongly suggest you do. These digital gardens are still out there even if sadly stuck in time.

How odd. My 3rd click, it brought me to news.ycombinator.com - exactly what brought me there in the first place and open in another tab. I was very confused as I assumed the tab had closed but no, it just appeared to be luck of the surprise.

Re: We need to rewild the internet

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Post by giantrobot »

gitgud wrote: post #55
chadsix wrote: post #40

Self hosting is definitely the way toward rewilding the internet. If everyone ran their own blogs, chats, email, etc. and let their systems federate thru protocol rather than on a single platform, the forests will thrive again.

I wonder if self-hosting away from giant cloud providers like AWS, Azure and GCloud would be better for the internet too. Self host at home should be much more common than it is…

> Self host at home should be much more common than it is…

It violates your ISP's EULA and they'll shut you down. Unless of course you pay twice as much (for the same service) with a "business" account.

Re: We need to rewild the internet

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Post by ajuc »

FroshKiller wrote: post #84
crooked-v wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That stuff is still around, it's just on Discord and VRChat now.

Then it isn't around. It's walled off. And it will disappear.

It would disappear anyway. All those personal webpages will be lost in time, like images hosted on long-dead servers and phpbb forums.

"Internet never forgets" is one of these naive fairytales we told ourselves when we were young and internet was new, along with "information wants to be free", "censorship on the internet is impossible", and "easy access to information helps democracy".

I prefer open web for sentimental reasons, but I don't think it's naturally better at preserving the information than walled gardens.

Re: We need to rewild the internet

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Post by baubino »

Vrondi wrote: post #122
Almondsetat wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you spend your life reading 20yo blog posts? Just live the moment with the opportunities it gives you

The current moment is great if you never need to find an old book, fix an old car, fix an old house, identify an old variety of plant, or any of a thousand other things. Basically, if you have no other interests, responsibilities, or desires other than fads, like a child. That's fine. Otherwise, there are decades of useful experience of large groups of human out there to be mined. It can often save you thousands of d…

Funnily, the walled garden often gives people the impression that it is not walled but in fact infinite. I‘m always shocked at how many people don‘t realize how little information is accessible on the internet anymore. Yes, as soon as you need something that isn‘t faddish/of the immediate current moment (especially if you‘re not trying to buy something), the internet fails. There is so much useful info that is extremely difficult to find online these days.

Re: We need to rewild the internet

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Post by the_af »

crooked-v wrote: post #34
urda wrote: post #2

More people should be tending their "digital gardens" just to have something to curate and share. Bring back the weird, the odd, the deep-dives into topics you never imagined having such detail, bring back the strange animated GIFS, the websites always "under construction", give me your weird, give me your odd, this should be everyone's place to be free.

That stuff is still around, it's just on Discord and VRChat now.

Discord for me is chat & FOMO. I'm not into that, so if Discord or other chat walled gardens are the answer, then I've lost.

Re: We need to rewild the internet

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Post by nvy »

squigz wrote: post #105
renegat0x0 wrote: post #35

I am running my personal web crawler since September of 2022. I gather internet domains and assign them meta information. There are various sources of my data. I assign "personal" tag to any personal website. I assign "self-host" tag to any self-host program I find. I have less than 3k of personal websites. Data are in the repository. https://github.com/rumca-js/Internet-Places-Database I still rely on google for man…

> I have less than 3k of personal websites. It is extraordinarily difficult for me to believe this is indicative of the reality of the entire Internet. I've probably visited a good chunk of this amount of personal sites.

It's missing my personal site at least. I'm sure there are many others.

Re: We need to rewild the internet

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Post by rchaud »

dangrossman wrote: post #95
logicprog wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Self-hosting means taking a second job as a sysadmin True, in the literal sense that you will have to administrate your own system, but I'm sure there must be ways to make this easier for people. Perhaps small computers that come pre-configured with the correct specifications for being a good small-scale server and pre-installed with software that provides a simple web GUI dashboard that you can just drop files on…

> A data breach? On a small self-hosted blog or email server? Who's data would those regulations be punishing you for leaking, your own, maybe two freinds'? Say you host your own WordPress blog with comments enabled. A few of your posts get to the front page of Hacker News, and you collect a couple hundred comments from California techies. Your WordPress instance is breached because you didn't patch a zero day vulner…

> Say you host your own WordPress blog with comments enabled. A few of your posts get to the front page of Hacker News, and you collect a couple hundred comments from California techies.

The possibility of this is less than 1% purely due to commenting friction. Hacker News already has a comment section. No one's going to sign up for a Wordpress account in order to post their comments there.

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