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We need to rewild the internet

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Re: We need to rewild the internet

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Post by verzali »

ozim wrote: post #133
digging wrote: post #19

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I don't really share anything I make/do on the internet but I've found posting my photography on a personal site feels pretty good even if I don't expect anyone to ever see it there. Recently I made a /now page and even started blogging infrequently - again, there are likely 0 viewers, but there's some pride in knowing I've staked out a corner of the internet for myself.

I think everyone is done with influencers. People would like to find genuine ones instead of just cash grabs.

People, especially the younger generations, are already too cynical. A lot of them don't seem to believe anyone does anything on the Internet except to make money. I find that profundly depressing.

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Post by crtasm »

sowbug wrote: post #168
notaustinpowers wrote: post #8

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I was just thinking today that I should just start posting my stuff on a personal site. Photos, blogs, life updates, etc. It gives me that control that I want, and I don't have to worry about Meta, etc trying to monetize it. Plus I get to unplug from those "n liked your post" dopamine hits.

My daughter asked me to set her up with a blog on her own server. We did it, and there is now a Hello World post somewhere out there on the web. But it wasn't a good experience, compared to what I know posting on Instagram is like. And that's just on the publishing side. The chances of her site being even indexed, let alone visited, is tiny. It's surprising* that rolling your own on the web has gotten harder, not eas…

Aren't all the hosts offering one-click wordpress/similar installs as easy as it's ever been?

Re: We need to rewild the internet

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Post by aidenn0 »

fsckboy wrote: post #97
dhosek wrote: post #91

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Points for the CSNY deep cut reference.

for CSNY "Almost Cut my Hair", 1970? may I please have points, too sir? Jimi Hendrix "If 6 was 9", 1967: "If all the hippies cut off all their hair I don't care, I don't care... White collar Windows users, flashin down the street pointing their plastic finger at me, hoping soon my kind will drop and die: I'm gonna wave my freak flag high!"

You get points from me because that's a clear reference I missed despite having heard both songs.

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Post by arromatic »

xnx wrote: post #213
urda wrote: post #2

More people should be tending their "digital gardens" just to have something to curate and share. Bring back the weird, the odd, the deep-dives into topics you never imagined having such detail, bring back the strange animated GIFS, the websites always "under construction", give me your weird, give me your odd, this should be everyone's place to be free.

TikTok is where the weird/folk Internet is now.

Can you elaborate more ? I don't use tiktok so i don't have much idea.

Re: We need to rewild the internet

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Post by xnx »

arromatic wrote: post #224
xnx wrote: post #213

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TikTok is where the weird/folk Internet is now.

Can you elaborate more ? I don't use tiktok so i don't have much idea.

TikTok is probably the easiest way for any average person to put content on the internet. Instagram, Facebook, and Twitter are still more intimidating than "point phone and hit record". Because it is so easy to put something on TikTok more people than every are posting things to the world (not just to friend/family groups) than ever. The content I comes from people who range in age from teenage to retiree, from every country, profession, and economic group. TikTok also has a discovery mechanism that gives every video a chance to get at least some views. I've seen videos that only have a dozen likes of a clutch of 5 robin eggs growing up and flying out of the next, videos on how to start a diesel locomotive, and marketing videos from a Chinese factory where "Roger" promotes his LED signs using English spoken in different American regional accents. My favorite videos recently are from "deeptok" (which, ironically, has gone pretty mainstream) of supremely obtuse, absurdist, random stuff like mulch wizard: https://www.tiktok.com/@patrick.lllll/video/7358144823108373...

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Post by DoItToMe81 »

kristov wrote: post #83
helpfulContrib wrote: post #10

It is surprisingly easy to set up a phpBB forum or some such thing, on a tiny VM tucked into some obscure pool, set up a nameserver for it, invite a couple of your friends, and start your own community, completely disengaged from any major corporate shenanigans. Big things can happen with such a virtual machine. Even better, you could a mailman server, and get yourself a proper mailing-list of like-minded subscribers…

The barrier to entry for running your own site (something dynamic, as opposed to static hosting) is essentially the same in 2024 as it was in 2004. Gotta get a domain (and keep it registered). Gotta have an SSL cert (letsencrypt makes it better). Raspberry pi can run a lot, but getting your consumer ISP to give you a static IP is still more money. Definitely more VPS options now though. But self hosting your still ba…

It absolutely is not. Google has been downranking 'outdated' formats for years, and there is a dearth of independent communities to draw members from. Discovery is harder now than it has been at any point in the past.

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Post by johnny22 »

logicprog wrote: post #211
johnny22 wrote: post #198

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so you're saying there will never be a breaking change when the or bugs when the software updates? ever? That seems unlikely. I've managed my own servers many times before and that's never been the case.

I wasn't saying that just that it should help a lot with minimizing the work. I self host my own stuff too, plenty of it.

and no one is stopping you. I just don't want to.

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Post by aAaaArrRgH »

squigz wrote: post #107
Timwi wrote: post #69

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I agree with you, although I wonder how we found the great fascinating wild websites before search engines even existed. I remember “web rings” but I don't think that's the whole story.

For a long time, search engines weren't nearly as SEO-gamed as they are now

You could bring back web directories.

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Post by RGamma »

kevinsync wrote: post #217
RGamma wrote: post #204

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They'd be discoverable by search or linking. The distributed web is compatible with feeds. It's what's happening on this site too. Except the content would be packaged and redistributable and wouldn't disappear when the original service goes down or such.

Sure, but (gen-pop) search itself has been degraded / hijacked beyond recognition compared to two decades ago, and walled gardens heavily discourage linking. Factor in that most people access internet from devices designed to consume in very specific ways from a controlled list of sources and we may as well be lamenting that nobody's finding the one physical copy of your book that's sitting on a shelf in a brick and…

Mhh dunno, I don't think it helps to think about the unfortunates stuck to their media feed at this stage. Might as well make the dweb about something us nerds want. It's gonna be good... and then it'll be about keeping the parasites out that live off that cultural capital.

Something durable, censorship-resistant, network-agnostic, optionally trust-based. Maybe a bit of IPFS + i2p + content-adressable, composable, cross-linkable, multimedia documents + federated services? I feel the components already mostly exist actually...

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Post by devdao »

bingbangboom wrote: post #193
anal_reactor wrote: post #171

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>We cannot tell all people below certain IQ to just stop using the internet Not directly, but we can ban children from the internet (or at least force them into read-only mode) via some legally enforced anonymized federal ID system. I'd accept the privacy risks associated with that in order to fix the internet.

I regret to inform you that IQ is not a function of age, and that you have forfeited your right to post.

Please enjoy the read-only experience here until you grow up.

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