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Covid infections are causing IQ drops and years of brain aging, studies suggest

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Re: Covid infections are causing IQ drops and years of brain aging, studies suggest

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Post by resource_waste »

cjk2 wrote: post #65
skrebbel wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I doubt it. It’s not like you ever stop practicing remembering things or doing everyday math tasks. Look, this is anecdata. I’m not making a claim about this article. I just know that my wife got substantially stupider overnight 2 years ago (plus lots of other symptoms). Via a postcovid support group organized by a semi government club here in NL she knows a bunch more people with long-term postcovid and this is the…

I would be careful with some of the self-help groups. They can reinforce symptoms rather than improve them. A case in point is a friend of mine who thought she had post-covid symptoms and cognitive decline. She went to a similar group and found a lot of very miserable people with depression. When talking to them they had similar stories of lost relatives, lost jobs and general social decline. But all had a common thi…

I'm pretty scared to look into many mental health issues. I know a buddy who had a super mild case of tourette syndrome but after he researched things started getting worse.

On a similar note, I had some mild PTSD symptoms until I looked into it, then I started having additional symptoms(or at least I was noticing them now). On the flip side having ChatGPT4 combine my PTSD with phenomenology, positive psychology, and CBT, I think I'm close to cured. My favorite part was being able to disagree with chatGPT. When I disagree with humans, I feel like I was getting stuck in a loop.

Re: Covid infections are causing IQ drops and years of brain aging, studies suggest

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Post by ETH_start »

The studies cited do not prove any causative association. They lack controls and other design elements that would account for misattribution and the impact of COVID-related psychosocial factors on observed symptoms.

In general, there is an extreme lack of rigor seen in claims about long COVID. The best evidence available suggests most cases of "long COVID" are misattribution:

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullar...

Re: Covid infections are causing IQ drops and years of brain aging, studies suggest

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Post by DoreenMichele »

ororroro wrote: post #188
DoreenMichele wrote: post #87

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I have no idea how we get from "x and y are potentially both symptoms of zinc deficiency" to "clearly, this is a dangerous comment that requires warnings against taking excess zinc..."

Not that I actually expect anyone to launch a scientific study based on my hn comment, but that is the only actual course of action I suggested.

Re: Covid infections are causing IQ drops and years of brain aging, studies suggest

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Post by bryanrasmussen »

zer00eyz wrote: post #102
bryanrasmussen wrote: post #73

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this is just a guess but I'm betting that if you take the best Nobel Prize Winners, and the best Mathematicians and give them IQ tests their average will be higher than the average of the general population (or the mean if you will) the best sports players and best musicians I would also suppose were higher IQ on average than normal sports players (I suppose this term means professional athletes) and normal musicians…

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/nov/05/fact-check-b... The funny thing about specialists is that they can easily embarrass themselves when outside their field. Watching your average politician talk about technology is a pretty great example of people speaking with zero context. Some of them clearly aren't dumb but they can get in over their heads with ease.

The funny thing about this conversation here though is I was talking about means and averages and you gave me an example of a single guy, also I said outliers in their fields might have higher than average general ability - I don't know why anyone would assume that higher than average general ability would equal expertise in unstudied specialties?

Re: Covid infections are causing IQ drops and years of brain aging, studies suggest

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Post by varjag »

shutupnerd0000 wrote: post #92
p0w3n3d wrote: post #85

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I experienced some limitations of cognitive abilities but not sure was it due to COVID or some sort of depression

That settles it then. Causation proved.

I too have lost solid 20 points immediately after infection. Took the test precisely because the fall was so sharp and deep. Scoff all you want but for me it's settled.

Re: Covid infections are causing IQ drops and years of brain aging, studies suggest

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Post by npunt »

ImHereToVote wrote: post #127
npunt wrote: post #53

Neuroinflammation is a poorly studied area and one likely cause of brain fog and mecfs/long covid symptoms. Jarred Younger [1] is a researcher studying this and has a youtube channel [2] where he discusses his latest work. If you're interested in this it's worth watching! Also please ignore anyone that posts 'oh its just X' or 'just do X', whatever X may be. This is a complicated medical mystery that millions of pati…

Wasn't there a paper that proposed the idea that long Covid is actual replicating virus that replicates in very low numbers.

Viral persistence is one theory that may explain a subset of long covid and other postviral cases (mecfs example [1]). There's lots of theories including itaconate shunt [2] and metabolic trap [3], glutamate toxicity [4], cranio-cervical instability and infections causing breakdown of tendons [5], gut biome imbalances [6][7], endothelial damage, and others. I'm not sure what the most promising ones are but the search for biomarkers continues.

What we call long covid or mecfs or chronic lyme or fibromyalgia etc etc are all umbrella terms for symptom clusters so they lack some specificity and are likely multi-causal. There are many overlaps in LC and mecfs patient populations in studies (vs controls), so its likely a fair-to-significant amount of LC is actually what we call mecfs.

Much of the mystery and suffering of long covid would have been avoided if we'd invested anything in investigating these conditions pre-covid (mecfs has the least funding to disease burden and the worst quality of life of all major diseases), but the medical community generally didn't want to believe these diseases were real. Same thing happened with autoimmune conditions like lupus and MS before their mechanisms were discovered. All of these conditions predominately affect women.

[1] https://me-pedia.org/wiki/Persistent_infection_hypothesis

[2] https://me-pedia.org/wiki/Itaconate_shunt_hypothesis

[3] https://me-pedia.org/wiki/Metabolic_trap

[4] https://me-pedia.org/wiki/Glutamate

[5] https://me-pedia.org/wiki/Craniocervical_instability

[6] https://me-pedia.org/wiki/Microbiome

[7] https://www.remissionbiome.org/

Re: Covid infections are causing IQ drops and years of brain aging, studies suggest

#198

Post by robocat »

inferiorhuman wrote: post #76
croes wrote: post #31

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Milllions of people worldwide suddenly have Zinc deficiency in the same year and now it's gone?

And yet the zinc conspiracy is not the craziest thing that users has posted regarding COVID.

Actually the problem could be that zinc deficiency causes paranoia, or alternatively perhaps causes conspiracies.

However one paper said:

  This study does not provide a clear answer as to whether the observed differences represent a causal relationship between zinc deficiency and psychiatric symptoms
Which could imply that psychiatric symptoms cause zinc deficiency.

And clearly a conspiracy already exists to feed zinc supplements to paranoid people: that's why we should support the zinc supplement psychoindustrial complex.

This message sponsored by Sanderson and the zinc suppliments consortium.

Re: Covid infections are causing IQ drops and years of brain aging, studies suggest

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Post by armchairdweller »

kadkadels wrote: post #183
armchairdweller wrote: post #154

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You seem to be really emotional about this. Need to say, the psychogram of those who defend pharma relentlessly to this day is very interesting. I see anger, insults, trampling onto what an obviously fascist authority teached them at the end of 2021 is „below them“ to elevate oneself. Ignorance of obvious data, sidelining. By now I have seen enough actual data - and on top of that a lot of sad „anecdata“ in my direct…

>You seem to be really emotional about this. I'm not, don't worry :) >Need to say, the psychogram of those who defend pharma relentlessly to this day is very interesting. I see anger, insults The only one who is hurling insults and seems quite angry is you. >fascist authority ah yes, just call regulatory agencies "fascist", that makes total sense. >attaching a label because it soothes you mentally once again an insul…

> ah yes, just call regulatory agencies "fascist", that makes total sense

People were fired for not taking a novel pharmaceutical product, warp-speeded by Donald Trump and sold as a cure-all. They lost their livelihood over exercising a fundamental human right.

In places like Canada they could not use public transport or leave the country. In some countries they could not enter supermarkets. Austria decided to fine them steeply and monthly. In the US 60% of one political side agreed with throwing them into camps and discussed it openly.

Across all media and in society they were labeled and treated as pariahs.

Meanwhile they observed obvious carnage in their friends and family and could only watch.

What did you do at the end of 2021 while all of this happened?

Re: Covid infections are causing IQ drops and years of brain aging, studies suggest

#200

Post by abyssin »

resource_waste wrote: post #191
cjk2 wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would be careful with some of the self-help groups. They can reinforce symptoms rather than improve them. A case in point is a friend of mine who thought she had post-covid symptoms and cognitive decline. She went to a similar group and found a lot of very miserable people with depression. When talking to them they had similar stories of lost relatives, lost jobs and general social decline. But all had a common thi…

I'm pretty scared to look into many mental health issues. I know a buddy who had a super mild case of tourette syndrome but after he researched things started getting worse. On a similar note, I had some mild PTSD symptoms until I looked into it, then I started having additional symptoms(or at least I was noticing them now). On the flip side having ChatGPT4 combine my PTSD with phenomenology, positive psychology, and…

Could you give more explanations about how you’ve been using ChatGPT to get better?
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