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Covid infections are causing IQ drops and years of brain aging, studies suggest

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Re: Covid infections are causing IQ drops and years of brain aging, studies suggest

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Milllions of people worldwide suddenly have Zinc deficiency in the same year and now it's gone?

I think the suggestion is, maybe there is a shared mechanism of action, like perhaps Covid damages your ability to uptake zinc. (I have no idea if that's the case, I only claim it's a more accurate reading of GP.)

Re: Covid infections are causing IQ drops and years of brain aging, studies suggest

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It's almost impossible to compare IQ tests across countries, because cognition test results are really only valid for people from the cultural context the test was written for.

If true, this seems quite damning for IQ as a metric. If the kilogram varied across countries, we would be in big trouble.

The approach's limitations are pretty well-known, though the results have always been considered estimates rather than absolute values. The "Reliability and validity" section of the wikipedia page for Intelligence_quotient is actually a pretty solid and well-written overview if you're looking for one.

Re: Covid infections are causing IQ drops and years of brain aging, studies suggest

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Yet another observational study with no real comparison. The REACT dataset used by the study relies mostly on self reported surveys and data from people sick enough to go to the doctor. This has obvious problems. The idea that there is a control arm of people who haven’t gotten Covid large enough to power a real control here is farcical. Again, a problem of self selection for people committed enough to maintain a lar…

> The idea that there is a control arm of people who haven’t gotten Covid large enough to power a real control here is farcical.

Why? Whether someone has ever been infected is testable. About 20% of the US population had not had COVID as of some point in 2023.

Re: Covid infections are causing IQ drops and years of brain aging, studies suggest

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Could it be that she's simply out of practice?

I doubt it. It’s not like you ever stop practicing remembering things or doing everyday math tasks. Look, this is anecdata. I’m not making a claim about this article. I just know that my wife got substantially stupider overnight 2 years ago (plus lots of other symptoms). Via a postcovid support group organized by a semi government club here in NL she knows a bunch more people with long-term postcovid and this is the…

I would be careful with some of the self-help groups. They can reinforce symptoms rather than improve them. A case in point is a friend of mine who thought she had post-covid symptoms and cognitive decline. She went to a similar group and found a lot of very miserable people with depression. When talking to them they had similar stories of lost relatives, lost jobs and general social decline. But all had a common thing which was they weren't dealing with those issues in a healthy ways. It was turning into a drinking club pretty much after the event was over. Even if you had problems this would exacerbate them over time.

There was a hefty dividing line among my friendship group after covid which was people who went down that route and people who went down the health and fitness route. The latter seem to be doing much better in all aspects even if they started in the former group.

I was running 10km once a week before. It knocked me off my feet entirely and I don't run often now which got to me for a few months. But I fought it and can do that again now if I need to. It hurt that it did that to me but it taught me how fragile things are. Also to note I'm a qualified mathematician but some days to months I can't add numbers together and this turns out mostly to be I'm tired or not in the right state of mind rather than anything persistent. Lots of causes - best to look for the obvious ones first.

Re: Covid infections are causing IQ drops and years of brain aging, studies suggest

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Could it be that she's simply out of practice?

I doubt it. It’s not like you ever stop practicing remembering things or doing everyday math tasks. Look, this is anecdata. I’m not making a claim about this article. I just know that my wife got substantially stupider overnight 2 years ago (plus lots of other symptoms). Via a postcovid support group organized by a semi government club here in NL she knows a bunch more people with long-term postcovid and this is the…

Cam relate. After a month of being floored by COVID in 2020 (thankfully without a need for forced ventilation), I had pretty terrible brain fog. After a year, the fog was gone, but to this day many mental tasks take more effort and time, even though I can still do them again.

Re: Covid infections are causing IQ drops and years of brain aging, studies suggest

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Milllions of people worldwide suddenly have Zinc deficiency in the same year and now it's gone?

I think the suggestion is, maybe there is a shared mechanism of action, like perhaps Covid damages your ability to uptake zinc. (I have no idea if that's the case, I only claim it's a more accurate reading of GP.)

The body doesn't store zinc, so if you become deficient and make no effort to remedy it, you probably will remain deficient.

I'm suggesting this article is possibly talking about a different aspect of an already known side effect of covid.

One could do a study and check this. And if not: whatever. Just making conversation online at some ungodly hour as distraction from my sucktastic life. (Shrug)

Re: Covid infections are causing IQ drops and years of brain aging, studies suggest

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Is there any real world test where higher IQ people do better than anyone else deterministically? I am not talking about correlations. I am talking about people with higher IQ can solve X problem that people with lower IQs can't. Not the ability to spot back & white patterns on a screen. The riches people are not the highest IQ people The Noble Prize Winners are not the highest IQ people The best sports players are n…

Here in western europe IQ tests are unheard of. I never met anyone (people at work, family members, close friends, acquaintances, etc.) who has taken such a test.

Pretty much every adult male in Austria did an IQ test during draft inspection.

Re: Covid infections are causing IQ drops and years of brain aging, studies suggest

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How long ago was she sick? For me it's gotten better. I got sick in August 2021, the major effects (fatigue and brain fog) were most pronounced between September and February, and I've been steadily improving since. I think I'm somewhere around 80% pre-Covid capacity most days.

Woa this is a great thing to hear actually. She got sick January 2022 so a bit over 2 years now. Our current fear is that this is the kind of thing where either you recover within ~2 years or it’s forever. Appreciate your story and will share with her. Her other symptoms, particularly the fatigue, do seem to improve (though the weather and being about to be outside impacts it a lot, so she had a huge setback 2 winter…

Happy my story can help.

It's been a long ride, coming up on three years. Because of the symptoms I was prompted to invest in self improvement as well. I am much more diligent about regularly exercising, eating better, minding my mental health* and minding my sleep; and there are still bad days where I can't concentrate at all. But things are getting better overall.

* Every day I don't read or watch the news I'm happier.

Re: Covid infections are causing IQ drops and years of brain aging, studies suggest

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My wife has postcovid and this is a profound effect. Yesterday she tried to add up a series of numbers by heart, and she simply couldn’t. For context, she’s pretty mathy and used to mock me for taking out a calculator or a spreadsheet for stuff like that. She also forgets everything, which is another thing she used to be great at. It’s pretty confronting, especially now that the idea that maybe this isn’t temporary i…

Odd. I also felt that my memory is not as good as it was used to, and I experiences Doorway effect (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doorway_effect) more frequently in recent years compare to before.

But I'm not really sure it was due to COVID or just simply being old (or due to been forced to live in a confined space for long period of time).

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