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Re: Google workers arrested after protesting company's work with Israel

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Post by creato »

edanm wrote: post #147
NeverFade wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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> By every available poll, the Palestinians want to kill them all. I think that's a big stretch. Many/most Palestinians want "their" land back, and many/most might want Israel gone. But that is not at all the same as saying they want all Israelis killed. Some might want a one-state solution that gives them rights without necessarily infringing on Jews's rights, some might think that most Jews will have a place to go…

They might not want to kill them, but the track record of Arab countries in the middle east regarding Jewish population is not good: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_exodus_from_the_Muslim_...

Do you really expect a hypothetical Palestine to be any different?

Re: Google workers arrested after protesting company's work with Israel

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Post by postepowanieadm »

NeverFade wrote: post #133
locallost wrote: post #75

Congratulations to people with morals. There's always few of them in the present, but also few of them historically. But we remember them more then people looking the other way out of convenience.

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Of course people of Israel want to live in peace, that's why they are protesting their genocidal government run by religious fanatics and nationalists. Standing against Netanyahu is not standing against Israel, and every decent person should do just that.

Re: Google workers arrested after protesting company's work with Israel

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Post by VS1999 »

KingOfCoders wrote: post #149
VS1999 wrote: post #134

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It's pretty simple. I don't agree with any tech company, but I would still like to make enough money to live. I hope that clears it up.

Found your own company.

It's very easy to suggest that to someone else when you don't have to take the risk or do the work.

Re: Google workers arrested after protesting company's work with Israel

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Post by edanm »

creato wrote: post #151
edanm wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> By every available poll, the Palestinians want to kill them all. I think that's a big stretch. Many/most Palestinians want "their" land back, and many/most might want Israel gone. But that is not at all the same as saying they want all Israelis killed. Some might want a one-state solution that gives them rights without necessarily infringing on Jews's rights, some might think that most Jews will have a place to go…

They might not want to kill them, but the track record of Arab countries in the middle east regarding Jewish population is not good: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_exodus_from_the_Muslim_... Do you really expect a hypothetical Palestine to be any different?

> Do you really expect a hypothetical Palestine to be any different?

Depends on a lot of factors. I think there is definitely a path by which a peaceful neighborly Palestine can be created, though it will likely take a long time.

And btw, many of these Arab neighbors now have peace with Israel, that has held for a long time. Including this week helping defend Israel against Iranian missiles.

Not something anyone would've thought possible in the past, now it's reality. A reality that Israel would do well to internalize, instead of thinking of itself as a lone state surrounded by enemies.

Re: Google workers arrested after protesting company's work with Israel

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Post by saulpw »

otterley wrote: post #113
saulpw wrote: post #106

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Breaking the law isn't a moral question, it's a legal one. You break the law, you go to jail, okay. But what is this "it isn't right" business? Some innocent bystanders are inconvenienced, so what? These people are protesting their employer's complicity in mass murder! And a corporation isn't a democracy, so they can't "vote to have it changed". Should they be bringing their concerns to HR, is that the right way to g…

First of all, these are (probably now former) Google employees. I don’t work for Google, but I do know that most big companies have established channels for addressing employee grievances. Second, Google isn’t a democracy, but we have a democratic system that allows us to influence our representatives to make reprehensible conduct illegal. If you want to change how a business operates, you can arrange a boycott as we…

No, I don't think this type of action should be legal. I think they should do it anyway. Protest is more meaningful (and raises more awareness) when there are consequences.

(You're Lawful Good, which is an admirable quality in a fellow citizen, but Chaotic Good can be more effective when the system has been captured by a strong Lawful Evil element.)

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Post by greyface- »

arrowsmith wrote: post #43
drak0n1c wrote: post #12

Regardless of your opinion of the Daily Wire, they have an in-depth article with details that the Washington Post omitted. With hyperlinks to each source: https://www.dailywire.com/news/google-employees-occupy-offic...

Why is everybody in every photo still wearing masks in 2024? Are there seriously still places where this is considered normal?

I assume it is to decrease the risk of contracting COVID, which continues to circulate in 2024.

Re: Google workers arrested after protesting company's work with Israel

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Post by faeriechangling »

otterley wrote: post #103
faeriechangling wrote: post #83

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You certainly can occupy private property as a protest, if you get arrested afterwards is immaterial to the fact that you can indeed do the as a protest. People throw pies at politicians faces as a protest and they're often arrested afterwards for assault, but it doesn't mean they can't do it.

You’re obtusely mistaking the word “can” to mean “physically able” when in this context it clearly means “is permissible.” Can you murder someone? Even if you are physically capable of pulling a trigger, I think you know damn well that’s not what anyone means.

Am I using the word in that way?

Sit-ins are an old protest tactic. They were used during the civil rights movement, in private property. They were used during labour protest, in private property. They have repeatedly been successful at achieving the protestors ends. They have repeatedly, in hindsight, been viewed in a favorable light and broadly seen as permissible. They were frequently, at the time, viewed as illegitimate and impermissible. Of course, there were other sit-ins which failed and were very much unpopular and were unjustified.

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Post by eviks »

givemeethekeys wrote: post #112
xyst wrote: post #97

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Are you suggesting whistleblowing? Or inserting exploits into the project?

No, that is the kind of thing that gets you fired and arrested and possibly worse.

Since any kind of protest can get you fired, what are your criteria for suggesting unnamed something else as more effective?

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Post by dingi »

cad31 wrote: post #126
dingi wrote: post #22

All the more reason to just do your job an leave. Remember why are you getting paid before engaging in these kind of stupid things.

You are saying they are get paid to stay quiet about this kind of thing?

They get paid to work on a product. What the employer do with the product is non of their business. They can always quit if they don't like something.
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