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We need to rewild the internet

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Re: We need to rewild the internet

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Post by idle_zealot »

jozzas wrote: post #137
jallmann wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My Twitter feed has a bunch of people doing extremely niche deep dives into Cold War weapons systems. For example, on the design of MiG-23 air intakes: https://twitter.com/BaA43A3aHY/status/1753715489686057384

This is literally the point of the article. That's all posted inside the twitter walled garden. Great content, wrong platform.

RSS handles syndication, but how would their deep-dives be discoverable if they had been posted to personal blog sites?

That's a missing piece of the puzzle for the distributed web; curation and recommendation are ad-hoc and don't scale.

Re: We need to rewild the internet

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Post by Nifty3929 »

All of the same sorts of people are willing and able today (myself included) to host our own content on quirky little sites. But the difference is that before, we were it - there was nobody else hosting anything much. There wasn't anything else.

Now everybody, and every company is online. We're simply drowned in an overwhelming sea of mundane banality. And, frankly - normal, ordinary, every-body stuff. Reading the news. Doing some banking.

It's not that we're not here - it's just that everybody else is here too. The internet is now the place that nobody goes to because it's too crowded.

Re: We need to rewild the internet

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Post by bingbangboom »

anal_reactor wrote: post #171

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>We cannot tell all people below certain IQ to just stop using the internet

Not directly, but we can ban children from the internet (or at least force them into read-only mode) via some legally enforced anonymized federal ID system.

I'd accept the privacy risks associated with that in order to fix the internet.

Re: We need to rewild the internet

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Post by gary_0 »

baubino wrote: post #144
Vrondi wrote: post #122

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The current moment is great if you never need to find an old book, fix an old car, fix an old house, identify an old variety of plant, or any of a thousand other things. Basically, if you have no other interests, responsibilities, or desires other than fads, like a child. That's fine. Otherwise, there are decades of useful experience of large groups of human out there to be mined. It can often save you thousands of d…

Funnily, the walled garden often gives people the impression that it is not walled but in fact infinite. I‘m always shocked at how many people don‘t realize how little information is accessible on the internet anymore. Yes, as soon as you need something that isn‘t faddish/of the immediate current moment (especially if you‘re not trying to buy something), the internet fails. There is so much useful info that is extrem…

> I‘m always shocked at how many people don‘t realize how little information is accessible on the internet anymore.

Any millennial or nerdy Xer with a good memory would tell you what the deal is. We were the first ones who came of age online, and saw what the Internet was like when it came to prominence. Now, our libraries, town halls, and weird gardens are all ash. Try to surf like you did in 2010 and all you'll see is spam; the filters work in reverse now. Log in to what "social media" is these days (after filling in your phone number and uploading your driver's license) and it's just cable TV with some extra widgets.

At least Wikipedia is still there.

Re: We need to rewild the internet

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Post by Terr_ »

mauvehaus wrote: post #103
Almondsetat wrote: post #86

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Do you spend your life reading 20yo blog posts? Just live the moment with the opportunities it gives you

A forum for my car just went dark. Gone are not quite 20 years of posts and discussions that I've searched many times over while troubleshooting mine or in preparation for some job that needed to be done. I made this discovery after going to post a novel solution for getting into the hood with a seized hood release in hopes that it might spare someone else some trouble in the future. All things are not in the moment.…

It makes me wish for forums where posts and comments are automatically synced and cached locally. Then everyone has a copy in case it closes down, and someone could use the content to bootstrap a replacement.

Note, that isn't the same as an ambitious fully federated mesh network or anything, but being limited in certain ways makes it efficient and easier in others.

Re: We need to rewild the internet

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Post by johnny22 »

logicprog wrote: post #90
johnny22 wrote: post #78

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I still have to manage the service or the code. I don't wanna worry about software updates.

auto updating podman containers.

so you're saying there will never be a breaking change when the or bugs when the software updates? ever? That seems unlikely. I've managed my own servers many times before and that's never been the case.

Re: We need to rewild the internet

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Post by realusername »

emporas wrote: post #180
marginalia_nu wrote: post #38

There's plenty of great fascinating wild Internet out there. The problem is finding it, since it typically struggles to be heard in a sea of well funded SEO-optimized garbage. It's a discovery problem, above all.

The reinforcement learning algorithm of facebook, instagram, youtube, tik-tok needs to move at the edge for that to happen. Nowadays, this seems much more probable than any other time in history, i.e last 15 years. Personal recommendation algorithms using RL, are certainly possible, because RL is the least computationally intensive training, compared to supervised, unsupervised etc. They also require some kind of soc…

TikTok is actually the only one from your list which gives a real chance to newcomers through the algorithm. That's also one of the reasons why the app is popular, the algorithm is just very different from anything else.

Re: We need to rewild the internet

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Post by nicbou »

winternett wrote: post #189
urda wrote: post #2

More people should be tending their "digital gardens" just to have something to curate and share. Bring back the weird, the odd, the deep-dives into topics you never imagined having such detail, bring back the strange animated GIFS, the websites always "under construction", give me your weird, give me your odd, this should be everyone's place to be free.

I have been doing so for a long time, but man, hosting costs are rising, and they really don't give me much storage to host community functionality at all. :| http://www.ruffandtuffrecordings.com/

Consider caching to reduce hosting costs. If you are patient, consider static site generators. The latter made running a website so much simpler. There is virtually no maintenance left to do.
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