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We need to rewild the internet

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Re: We need to rewild the internet

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Post by akira2501 »

krapp wrote: post #29
gspencley wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can we find shit now? I swear search engines are getting borderline useless. And it's not necessarily their fault, it's just very difficult to find search results these days that aren't lists of affiliate links. And in fairness, this is probably less to do with SEO'ers "gaming" the system and more to do with the fact that all of the content we actually cared about just disappeared behind walled gardens. I abandoned G…

I find shit all the time. Google still works fine for me. I don't know what people on Hacker News are doing that they can never seem to find a single useful result on any search engine, ever.

I search for somewhat obscure and highly specific things. There are queries which used to reliably return the results I was looking for. Over the past several years these queries no longer work.

It feels like the search engine used to accept whatever I typed and used that to query. The results had to be a good match for all the words in my query. This made it very easy to find exactly what I was looking for.

Now google feels free to ignore terms from my query or to use synonyms instead of the exact term. The results are now exceptionally broad and no longer are a good match for the specific query I've entered. I now have to use "quotes" "around" "every" "single" "term" or go several pages deep to find the page I want.

Re: We need to rewild the internet

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Post by kristopolous »

bsaul wrote: post #27
kristopolous wrote: post #5

There's lots of these projects already, such as https://neocities.org/browse And even people with weird myspace style social networking sites like https://spacehey.com/browse Then there's telegram and discord, full of all kinds of strange stuff. They're just not mainstream. Probably better that way.

friend of mine told me this exactly : going on telegram feels like being back to the original internet. But that's probably because of all the illegal/uncensored content you can find there

ever go to onion sites? They're pretty great. No javascript, social media share buttons, ad-tech or click-jacking or videos popping up or walls in front of the content. No liking or subscribing or logging in with your facebook account... it's ironic how tor is the clean internet.

Re: We need to rewild the internet

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Post by [deleted] »

chadsix wrote: post #40

Self hosting is definitely the way toward rewilding the internet. If everyone ran their own blogs, chats, email, etc. and let their systems federate thru protocol rather than on a single platform, the forests will thrive again.

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Re: We need to rewild the internet

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Post by tsunamifury »

krapp wrote: post #29
gspencley wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can we find shit now? I swear search engines are getting borderline useless. And it's not necessarily their fault, it's just very difficult to find search results these days that aren't lists of affiliate links. And in fairness, this is probably less to do with SEO'ers "gaming" the system and more to do with the fact that all of the content we actually cared about just disappeared behind walled gardens. I abandoned G…

I find shit all the time. Google still works fine for me. I don't know what people on Hacker News are doing that they can never seem to find a single useful result on any search engine, ever.

Because they remember the past far more fondly than it was and converge the utility they get from the current day with the ideals of back then.

The reality is there is far more creative and well produced content on the web and closed platforms today than there ever was in any other point in time. And if you can't find it fast enough, AI can generate direct, customized answers.

Re: We need to rewild the internet

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Post by jallmann »

urda wrote: post #2

More people should be tending their "digital gardens" just to have something to curate and share. Bring back the weird, the odd, the deep-dives into topics you never imagined having such detail, bring back the strange animated GIFS, the websites always "under construction", give me your weird, give me your odd, this should be everyone's place to be free.

My Twitter feed has a bunch of people doing extremely niche deep dives into Cold War weapons systems. For example, on the design of MiG-23 air intakes: https://twitter.com/BaA43A3aHY/status/1753715489686057384

Re: We need to rewild the internet

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Post by cgh »

chadsix wrote: post #40

Self hosting is definitely the way toward rewilding the internet. If everyone ran their own blogs, chats, email, etc. and let their systems federate thru protocol rather than on a single platform, the forests will thrive again.

The article is primarily about breaking up certain technology companies into their broad constituent parts and mandating interoperability, presumably by law. That seems a lot more realistic than your average person self-hosting, which almost everyone would view as a hassle and a usability fail.

Re: We need to rewild the internet

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Post by johnny22 »

chadsix wrote: post #40

Self hosting is definitely the way toward rewilding the internet. If everyone ran their own blogs, chats, email, etc. and let their systems federate thru protocol rather than on a single platform, the forests will thrive again.

I have the technical capability to host, but I don't want the responsibility or want to spend the time. I don't wanna be interrupted from my actual work or hobbies to fix up my personal hosted stuff.

I just want to let someone or some group handle that for me.

Re: We need to rewild the internet

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Post by katehikes88 »

quartesixte wrote: post #14
kristopolous wrote: post #5

There's lots of these projects already, such as https://neocities.org/browse And even people with weird myspace style social networking sites like https://spacehey.com/browse Then there's telegram and discord, full of all kinds of strange stuff. They're just not mainstream. Probably better that way.

>Then there's telegram and discord, full of all kinds of strange stuff I was just about to say this. The new pockets of internet communities are filled with interesting and fun things again. It’s just that a lot of them are for and run by teenagers. As adults, we either feel immediately out of place or just get banned outright. The ones run by adults are incredibly niche focusing on “non-mainstream” interests. Discov…

sad thing is that you need to provide a phone number just to read those telegram and discord groups. 4chan is nothing like it used to be. it is run over by bot posts and shills from various interest groups. the amount of genuine anon posts is quite low.

Re: We need to rewild the internet

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Post by ranger_danger »

chadsix wrote: post #40

Self hosting is definitely the way toward rewilding the internet. If everyone ran their own blogs, chats, email, etc. and let their systems federate thru protocol rather than on a single platform, the forests will thrive again.

> federate

But I think the problem quickly turns to over-fragmentation, even with something like matrix, mastodon or lemmy today, there are so many different instances and many of them are blocking several other instances from federating with them, people don't know where to go and have too many different places to look for stuff that they simply won't even try.

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