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Re: We need to rewild the internet

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Post by Vrondi »

tsunamifury wrote: post #121
Gud wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, it is not us "remembering the past far more fondly". Today Google search results yield the same crap without fail. For example, a search for "how do I repair widget X" will inevitable take me to a garbage SEO site following the same patterns. The internet is less useful today than it was 10 years ago. Probably it peaked 20 years ago, before big money completely took over and ruined the place.

It did not peak 20 years ago. This is laughable rose tinted glasses. Also you can ask almost any LLM model for that type of answer and get it instantly and personalized.

...and you will not know if the answer is accurate or where it came from.

Re: We need to rewild the internet

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Post by marginalia_nu »

Filligree wrote: post #130
marginalia_nu wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I got some quality issues right now. Kinda works but not as well as I'd want.

It's gotten famous enough that people have started optimizing for it?

Nah, just been working on low level stuff and I haven't had the time to do a lot of the manual quality tuning that's always been necessary once in a blue moon.

Downside of being a one man show is I only have so much attention to spend on tasks, so sometimes quality tuning gets a bit neglected.

Re: We need to rewild the internet

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Post by ozim »

digging wrote: post #19
notaustinpowers wrote: post #8

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I was just thinking today that I should just start posting my stuff on a personal site. Photos, blogs, life updates, etc. It gives me that control that I want, and I don't have to worry about Meta, etc trying to monetize it. Plus I get to unplug from those "n liked your post" dopamine hits.

I don't really share anything I make/do on the internet but I've found posting my photography on a personal site feels pretty good even if I don't expect anyone to ever see it there. Recently I made a /now page and even started blogging infrequently - again, there are likely 0 viewers, but there's some pride in knowing I've staked out a corner of the internet for myself.

I think everyone is done with influencers.

People would like to find genuine ones instead of just cash grabs.

Re: We need to rewild the internet

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Post by toss1 »

>>"...a timeless truth: When we simplify complex systems, we destroy them, and the devastating consequences sometimes aren’t obvious until it’s too late."

This a thousand times over. This should be taught in schools and repeated from the earliest grades to post-grad. It bears repetition, sufficient that it is seen by everyone as obvious. Then, perhaps the society will value complexity and diversity as the true strengths that they are. Homogenizing and monoculture will kill us all, whether it is forestry, agriculture, human cultures, economies, the internet, or mil or corporate orgs. Uniformity is brittleness.

Re: We need to rewild the internet

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Post by philwelch »

Timwi wrote: post #82
kristopolous wrote: post #42

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ever go to onion sites? They're pretty great. No javascript, social media share buttons, ad-tech or click-jacking or videos popping up or walls in front of the content. No liking or subscribing or logging in with your facebook account... it's ironic how tor is the clean internet.

While all of what you said is technically true, you left out the fact that Tor sites are majority about illegal activity, such as hiring assassins, ordering forged identity documents, and buying and selling controlled substances. I'm afraid that kind of kills the nostalgia for me.

Half the fun is trying to guess which 40% of those are just larping, which 40% are feds, and which 20% are actually real.

Re: We need to rewild the internet

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Post by thomastjeffery »

This is a great article, but it's missing the elephant in the room: copyright.

There's a reason that our society has allowed content. Anyone who can claim to "own" content has the right to monopolize it. We didn't simply allow corporations to build walls of garden around us: we enshrined those walls as a legal right!

This article opens with a great metaphor, comparing the internet to a forest. Let's continue that metaphor, and see how copyright fits in. What is a tree made of? Content. Copyright doesn't simply give someone ownership of their garden, it gives them ownership of entire species. Want to grow an Apple tree? Too bad: you don't have the right to copy Apple's species. Want to pollinate your gnu tree with an Apple tree? No can do: Apple trees were intentionally designed to be incompatible with free range bees.

Every thing we do on the internet is carefully managed with contracts centered around copyright. Giant corporations own nearly all the copy rights. Is it any surprise that they write all the contracts?

We need to rewild the internet; and to do that, we (and our peers) will need seeds.

Re: We need to rewild the internet

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Post by jozzas »

jallmann wrote: post #45
urda wrote: post #2

More people should be tending their "digital gardens" just to have something to curate and share. Bring back the weird, the odd, the deep-dives into topics you never imagined having such detail, bring back the strange animated GIFS, the websites always "under construction", give me your weird, give me your odd, this should be everyone's place to be free.

My Twitter feed has a bunch of people doing extremely niche deep dives into Cold War weapons systems. For example, on the design of MiG-23 air intakes: https://twitter.com/BaA43A3aHY/status/1753715489686057384

This is literally the point of the article. That's all posted inside the twitter walled garden. Great content, wrong platform.

Re: We need to rewild the internet

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Post by tsunamifury »

Vrondi wrote: post #131
tsunamifury wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It did not peak 20 years ago. This is laughable rose tinted glasses. Also you can ask almost any LLM model for that type of answer and get it instantly and personalized.

...and you will not know if the answer is accurate or where it came from.

This is outdated. You can source with many modern public LLM products now.

Why is hacker news full of so much outdated thinking?

Re: We need to rewild the internet

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Post by seabass-labrax »

logicprog wrote: post #89
dangrossman wrote: post #75

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Self-hosting means taking a second job as a sysadmin, applying software updates all the time, patching emergency security vulnerabilities, hardening services against constant attacks, deciding whether the daily "I have found a bug in your system and will disclose" mails are legitimate threats. If you fail at any of these tasks, relatively new regulations mean various governments can fine you more than your net worth…

> Self-hosting means taking a second job as a sysadmin True, in the literal sense that you will have to administrate your own system, but I'm sure there must be ways to make this easier for people. Perhaps small computers that come pre-configured with the correct specifications for being a good small-scale server and pre-installed with software that provides a simple web GUI dashboard that you can just drop files on…

> Perhaps small computers that come pre-configured with the correct specifications for being a good small-scale server

Great minds think alike. See FreedomBox[1] for a totally FOSS implementation of that idea; one of my friends runs all of his internet services at home with it: email, file storage, contacts synchronisation etc.

[1]: https://wiki.debian.org/FreedomBox

Re: We need to rewild the internet

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Post by solarpunk »

urda wrote: post #2

More people should be tending their "digital gardens" just to have something to curate and share. Bring back the weird, the odd, the deep-dives into topics you never imagined having such detail, bring back the strange animated GIFS, the websites always "under construction", give me your weird, give me your odd, this should be everyone's place to be free.

my friend has a thing that really fits the vibe of "digital gardens" well: https://greenhouse.server.garden/
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