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We need to rewild the internet

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Re: We need to rewild the internet

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I feel like letting my geek flag fly / Yes, I feel like I owe it to someone __________ ____\ / | __ _| / | | |\ \ | _____\ |________\ | | |

Almost uninstalled Linux / It happened just the other day

Points for the CSNY deep cut reference.

Re: We need to rewild the internet

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I find shit all the time. Google still works fine for me. I don't know what people on Hacker News are doing that they can never seem to find a single useful result on any search engine, ever.

Searching e.g. "xq31 curlyarrayconstructor does not use enclosedexpr": 1. In google, I get 9 results, none of which are a reference to the W3C XQuery/XPath issue. This is because google is actually "helpfully" searching for "xq31 curly array constructor does not use enclosed expr" -- telling it to not do that finds the issue, returning two results. 2. In bing, the bug report (bug 29989) is the top result. 3. In DuckD…

"I had to do an extra click on a clearly labeled link" does not equate "search engines are borderline useless"

Re: We need to rewild the internet

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Then it isn't around. It's walled off. And it will disappear.

Do you spend your life reading 20yo blog posts? Just live the moment with the opportunities it gives you

Sometimes. I stumbled across somebody’s 20+-year-old collection of deep musical analyses of early Chicago songs. That same material on Twitter/Facebook/Discord/whatever is going to be inaccessible.

Re: We need to rewild the internet

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More people should be tending their "digital gardens" just to have something to curate and share. Bring back the weird, the odd, the deep-dives into topics you never imagined having such detail, bring back the strange animated GIFS, the websites always "under construction", give me your weird, give me your odd, this should be everyone's place to be free.

As much as I like "digital gardens" and think that they are a step in the right direction, rewilding requires much more than cultivating lots of isolated patches of ground - the article even mentions a nature reserve which was "too small and too disconnected to be rewilded. Its effectively landlocked status made over-grazing and collapse inevitable".

Re: We need to rewild the internet

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Self-hosting means taking a second job as a sysadmin, applying software updates all the time, patching emergency security vulnerabilities, hardening services against constant attacks, deciding whether the daily "I have found a bug in your system and will disclose" mails are legitimate threats. If you fail at any of these tasks, relatively new regulations mean various governments can fine you more than your net worth…

> Self-hosting means taking a second job as a sysadmin True, in the literal sense that you will have to administrate your own system, but I'm sure there must be ways to make this easier for people. Perhaps small computers that come pre-configured with the correct specifications for being a good small-scale server and pre-installed with software that provides a simple web GUI dashboard that you can just drop files on…

> A data breach? On a small self-hosted blog or email server? Who's data would those regulations be punishing you for leaking, your own, maybe two freinds'?

Say you host your own WordPress blog with comments enabled. A few of your posts get to the front page of Hacker News, and you collect a couple hundred comments from California techies. Your WordPress instance is breached because you didn't patch a zero day vulnerability quickly enough. You have to personally notify every California resident of the breach, and California's Attorney General.

Government regulation means that part of your job in self-hosting a simple blog is knowing that CCPA exists, along with every similar regulation passed by every other state, now and into the future.

Worse, you may not even realize you're holding regulated "personal data" and how much. Maybe you try to avoid this liability by turning off comments and uploads, but you don't realize your web server has access logs enabled, and some state or country considers this personal data as well. GDPR does for one.

Re: We need to rewild the internet

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Then it isn't around. It's walled off. And it will disappear.

Do you spend your life reading 20yo blog posts? Just live the moment with the opportunities it gives you

I think the point is that passively feeding your content to a profit engine actually limits your opportunities vs a modicum of agency over how you want to share your knowledge and experiences. If you honestly don't care about anything beyond your tiktok feed, that's fine, but there is interest out there in a longer time envelope of cultural production.

Re: We need to rewild the internet

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Almost uninstalled Linux / It happened just the other day

Points for the CSNY deep cut reference.

for CSNY "Almost Cut my Hair", 1970?

may I please have points, too sir?

Jimi Hendrix "If 6 was 9", 1967: "If all the hippies cut off all their hair I don't care, I don't care... White collar Windows users, flashin down the street pointing their plastic finger at me, hoping soon my kind will drop and die: I'm gonna wave my freak flag high!"

Re: We need to rewild the internet

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That stuff is still around, it's just on Discord and VRChat now.

Then it isn't around. It's walled off. And it will disappear.

I’m somewhere in the middle on this. These communities are real, and the value of the content shared by users is real.

On the one hand, I prefer the old open web. On the other, I can’t deny the existence and value of these walled gardens. The wall doesn’t erase the value, even if I strongly prefer there wasn’t a wall to begin with.

To your point, discord comes with downsides, and does raise questions about the longevity of the content. Most of the old web disappeared too.

I think that in order to have any hope of returning to something more open and public on a wider scale, it’s necessary to understand why these communities are thriving on discord. I don’t have the answer to that question, but I suspect that the wall is actually a benefit to some.

Re: We need to rewild the internet

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Self hosting is definitely the way toward rewilding the internet. If everyone ran their own blogs, chats, email, etc. and let their systems federate thru protocol rather than on a single platform, the forests will thrive again.

Self-hosting means taking a second job as a sysadmin, applying software updates all the time, patching emergency security vulnerabilities, hardening services against constant attacks, deciding whether the daily "I have found a bug in your system and will disclose" mails are legitimate threats. If you fail at any of these tasks, relatively new regulations mean various governments can fine you more than your net worth…

Vaguely sensible initial setup (doable from a template or script) and automatic updates (enable these from a script) solves like 99% of this problem.

Re: We need to rewild the internet

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More people should be tending their "digital gardens" just to have something to curate and share. Bring back the weird, the odd, the deep-dives into topics you never imagined having such detail, bring back the strange animated GIFS, the websites always "under construction", give me your weird, give me your odd, this should be everyone's place to be free.

If you haven't checked out the "Surpise me" button on https://wiby.me I strongly suggest you do. These digital gardens are still out there even if sadly stuck in time.

I've used that button so many times to find things. I wish there was another directory that had the same unique feel but a bit more modernized. Wiby seems to be only one era or feel.
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