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We need to rewild the internet

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Re: We need to rewild the internet

#21
Wild is good as long as it's not wild as in battlefield. It's not like you get diverse opinions; no matter what you post, you get warring factions, vulgar insults, and sometimes, death threats.

And bots.

I posted earlier today:

Anil Dash argues [1] that things can be better in not so wide-open communities.

    And then there’s someone like Darius Kazemi, a computer programmer and community organizer who has been patiently toiling away building tools that let others build healthy, constructive, human-scale online communities — the sort that are full of acts of kindness and genuine connection, instead of incessant fights about hate speech. There’s been a huge uptick in interest in Darius’ work as networks like Twitter have fallen apart, and a new generation discovers the joys of an internet that’s as intimate and connected as a friendly neighborhood. And this hearkens back to that surprising, and delightful, discovery that often underpinned the internet of a generation ago — sometimes the entire platform you were using to talk to others was just being run by one, passionate person. We’re seeing the biggest return to that human-run, personal-scale web that we’ve witnessed since the turn of the millennium, with enough momentum that it’s likely that 2024 is the first year since then that many people have the experience of making a new connection or seeing something go viral on a platform that’s being run by a regular person instead of a commercial entity. It’s going to make a lot of new things possible.
[1] https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-commentary/inte...

I have had ideas for a different internet -- a network of networks. Since Stewart Brand and Ted Nelson and Kevin Kelly, technology was meant to empower and liberate people. Only a handful actually do, as in Wikipedia. People have enormous computing power in their computers and mobile devices. It often just liberates cash from their pockets.

Time to reinvent. I'll share ideas later.

No need for this crap: [2]

    Well, things changed a little bit in tech of late. Often, the power shifts in the tech world because of a dramatic new invention that solves an old problem a whole lot better. But in the current era, when most of what's getting funded and hyped up are just various attempts to undermine workers and control consumers, we're instead seeing lots of major players lose power because their signature offerings have gotten so much worse. Search engines are becoming far more useless as they attempt to chase AI hype and shoehorn in less reliable results, even as their legitimate search results get cluttered up with AI-generated crap. The most culturally influential social network has had its cultural relevance destroyed by its billionaire man-child owner's tantrum-based managemenet style. And the major mobile phone platforms overplayed their hand so badly in exerting power over their app ecosystems that regulators around the globe have responded by prying open these heretofore-closed markets.
[2] https://www.anildash.com//2024/01/03/human-web-renaissance/

Time for a network of networks, not a network of 4 or 5 castles surrounded by serfs.

Re: We need to rewild the internet

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post #11

The geocities times weren’t THAT cool. We mostly had to go through pages and pages of crap stuff, cause we couldn’t find shit.

Yeah, but music would auto-play in the background, random stuff would float across your screen, and your cursor would turn into......something.

Re: We need to rewild the internet

#23
No matter what you do, 90/00s internet is never coming back

They demonstrated the ready willingness use of violence by special interest groups bankrolling and giving insider trading tips to your political leaders. Meanwhile some college student torrents some Hollywood movie and gets arrested.

ex) Megaupload

Re: We need to rewild the internet

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post #11

The geocities times weren’t THAT cool. We mostly had to go through pages and pages of crap stuff, cause we couldn’t find shit.

Yeah, but music would auto-play in the background, random stuff would float across your screen, and your cursor would turn into......something.

I think it's all nostalgia: I remember it and it was mostly crap. What made it super special for me was when I was looking at a site made by someone I knew, and I could learn more about them through what they made.

Re: We need to rewild the internet

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post #11

The geocities times weren’t THAT cool. We mostly had to go through pages and pages of crap stuff, cause we couldn’t find shit.

Yeah, but music would auto-play in the background, random stuff would float across your screen, and your cursor would turn into......something.

My favorite was an ascii 12 hour clock with hour, minute, and second hands rotating about the cursor. Really helped me know exactly what time it was while surfing those Freewebs sites!

Re: We need to rewild the internet

#27

There's lots of these projects already, such as https://neocities.org/browse And even people with weird myspace style social networking sites like https://spacehey.com/browse Then there's telegram and discord, full of all kinds of strange stuff. They're just not mainstream. Probably better that way.

friend of mine told me this exactly : going on telegram feels like being back to the original internet. But that's probably because of all the illegal/uncensored content you can find there

Re: We need to rewild the internet

#28

There's lots of these projects already, such as https://neocities.org/browse And even people with weird myspace style social networking sites like https://spacehey.com/browse Then there's telegram and discord, full of all kinds of strange stuff. They're just not mainstream. Probably better that way.

>Then there's telegram and discord, full of all kinds of strange stuff I was just about to say this. The new pockets of internet communities are filled with interesting and fun things again. It’s just that a lot of them are for and run by teenagers. As adults, we either feel immediately out of place or just get banned outright. The ones run by adults are incredibly niche focusing on “non-mainstream” interests. Discov…

yeah, click around the spacehey site. It's a bunch of kids 13-18 or so. I had initially thought this site was going to be mostly nostalgic people in their 30s and 40s.*

It's fascinating how people born after the decline of myspace has found a clone and helped bring it to life.

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* maybe it is and a bunch of people are just playing a character ... unlikely though.

Re: We need to rewild the internet

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post #11

The geocities times weren’t THAT cool. We mostly had to go through pages and pages of crap stuff, cause we couldn’t find shit.

Can we find shit now? I swear search engines are getting borderline useless. And it's not necessarily their fault, it's just very difficult to find search results these days that aren't lists of affiliate links. And in fairness, this is probably less to do with SEO'ers "gaming" the system and more to do with the fact that all of the content we actually cared about just disappeared behind walled gardens. I abandoned G…

I find shit all the time. Google still works fine for me.

I don't know what people on Hacker News are doing that they can never seem to find a single useful result on any search engine, ever.

Re: We need to rewild the internet

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post #2

More people should be tending their "digital gardens" just to have something to curate and share. Bring back the weird, the odd, the deep-dives into topics you never imagined having such detail, bring back the strange animated GIFS, the websites always "under construction", give me your weird, give me your odd, this should be everyone's place to be free.

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