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Psychiatric risks for worsened mental health after psychedelic use

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Psychedelics are a force to be reckoned with. Plus people are conflating clinical trials with taking unknown substances, in unknown amounts without considering the proper set and setting.

Controlling for the substance and amount as well as having a professional, caring guide to help the patient through the experience will be a FAR different experience than eating a fist-full of shrooms at a party some stranger gave you while under the influence of other things...

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I am nearly 70 years old. I have been taking psychedelics for 50 over years. I am retired psychotherapist and I do not have a predisposition to mental ill health. I was also a substance misuse worker and methadone dispenser for over 10 years. I gave up smoking hash when I was 40 years old. I did notice that with the introduction of skunk and the increase of up to 20% more Tetrahydrocannabinol (THC), there were more a…

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Re: Psychiatric risks for worsened mental health after psychedelic use

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This really just feels like fearmongering because this is a threat to big pharma. I mean, several commonly prescribed antidepressants have black box warnings about increased risk of suicide. When they trialed Prozac on people with no history of mental illness, someone committed suicide out of the blue. Fairly certain someone could cobble together a much more compelling meta analysis about even worse adverse effects o…

I always thought the “war on drugs” was a big pharma turf war. Nearly every school shooter was on an antidepressant, but somehow that never makes headlines.

In US, the original war on drugs was racial in nature (targeting blacks and Mexicans specifically).

The particularly heavy-handed enforcement from 1970s onwards that spawned the term itself broadened into a war against the social and cultural opposition to the status quo - still partly racial in nature as various black civil rights and black power movements were a significant part of that, but also targeting anti-war protesters, "pinkos" etc.

Re: Psychiatric risks for worsened mental health after psychedelic use

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Interesting that OCD is the winning disorder, with zero negative responders. Recalling my mushroom days.... Okay, I think I get it. Psychedelic experience is, in part, about embracing the beautiful chaos of the universe. Surrendering to the charms of free-flowing wild information at scale so huge there's no chance of imposing your own orderly corrections - as you might in normal every day life via OCD. That's my armc…

My subjective take is the opposite - psychedelics make you see order (patterns) emerge out of seeming chaos pretty much everywhere you look.

Re: Psychiatric risks for worsened mental health after psychedelic use

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post #51

Psychedelics are a force to be reckoned with. Plus people are conflating clinical trials with taking unknown substances, in unknown amounts without considering the proper set and setting. Controlling for the substance and amount as well as having a professional, caring guide to help the patient through the experience will be a FAR different experience than eating a fist-full of shrooms at a party some stranger gave y…

I’m also worried about all the self-medication, where people treat serious issues without supervision. But I also want to highlight that there is a place for recreational, responsible, and safe drug use; there is a _lot_ between between clinical/therapeutic settings and random recklessness.

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N of one but my friend (who always saw the world as very black and white) killed herself not long after doing Ayahuasca. I’m pretty sure it contributed to her death, she became an extreme fantasist about judgement and god, not a formalised religion but a personified fantasy with crazed rules and vengeances. It was not good.

How do you know she wouldn't have killed herself without having tried Ayahuasca?

It’s funny, this is the sort of harshness and absolute certainty Jen would have come out with. Nothing is certain but my opinion given the outcome is that it definitely did not help.

Re: Psychiatric risks for worsened mental health after psychedelic use

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It’s pretty scary to me that so many people seemingly on whim are willing to upgrade their brain firmware. I often hear stuff like “and then my whole view on reality changed”. Unless there’s an easy way to upload the previous “factory image” so to speak, it feels pretty risky to experiment with that.

It is risky, but life comes with risks. And not facing risks can be risky, too. You might waste your life in boredom, instead of taking off.

You also might "crap on the roof with your ass on the ground" to (miss)quote Castaneda.

Re: Psychiatric risks for worsened mental health after psychedelic use

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post #38

It’s pretty scary to me that so many people seemingly on whim are willing to upgrade their brain firmware. I often hear stuff like “and then my whole view on reality changed”. Unless there’s an easy way to upload the previous “factory image” so to speak, it feels pretty risky to experiment with that.

I agree as someone who was previously excited about the idea. Although to be honest, I think people overstate the changes. They did not last. Lots of salesmen in this industry like any other.

Re: Psychiatric risks for worsened mental health after psychedelic use

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I am nearly 70 years old. I have been taking psychedelics for 50 over years. I am retired psychotherapist and I do not have a predisposition to mental ill health. I was also a substance misuse worker and methadone dispenser for over 10 years. I gave up smoking hash when I was 40 years old. I did notice that with the introduction of skunk and the increase of up to 20% more Tetrahydrocannabinol (THC), there were more a…

> heroin is top of the list

Can you please share the list? Went through the article hoping to find one but either I am blind or its not there.

As for rest of the comment - thank you for your work and balanced insight. All this could have been researched to death (and optimal solutions be picked up based on results with regard to population health) if this stuff wasn't illegal for so long and governments acknowledged that people can actually get (a bit) high, since they can already ie drink themselves to death.

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I am nearly 70 years old. I have been taking psychedelics for 50 over years. I am retired psychotherapist and I do not have a predisposition to mental ill health. I was also a substance misuse worker and methadone dispenser for over 10 years. I gave up smoking hash when I was 40 years old. I did notice that with the introduction of skunk and the increase of up to 20% more Tetrahydrocannabinol (THC), there were more a…

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> How is it possible that a retired psychotherapist is using interchangably MDMA word and Extasy word, making a tremendous mistake in your own professional field?

Because he was not giving a personal opinion - he was talking about a media report:

> media went wild over reports that a 18 year old girl (Leah Betts) had died from taking MDMA

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