Dan's the best... I am sure 5by5 will do just fine with such superhits like Hypercritical, Back to Work, Build and Analyze etc...
Taking a cue from Dan, i wish Gruber the best, though honestly i won't be listening to him any more
Dan Benjamin: Regarding The Talk Show
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Re: Dan Benjamin: Regarding The Talk Show
#72Does anyone else find it amusing that the title of the latest post on daring Fireball is "Why wasn't I consulted?".
A year old article about "internet people" having some sense of entitlement about other's work? Hardly a coincidence. It's Gruber's answer to the HN thread & tweets of last week.
One of the tweets that John chose to retweet was a reference to Joan Rivers leaving Johnny Carson - https://twitter.com/#!/dr_mind_bender/status/203903404953714...
It seems that he thinks of podcasts like late night TV - where the audience is just an abstract statistic.
In Dan's response above he makes a reference to drive-time radio talk shows and the sense of relationship (albeit one-way) that comes from that medium. He sees his audience as individual people whereas John only sees the audience as a revenue source.
Re: Dan Benjamin: Regarding The Talk Show
#73Does anyone else find it amusing that the title of the latest post on daring Fireball is "Why wasn't I consulted?".
A year old article about "internet people" having some sense of entitlement about other's work? Hardly a coincidence. It's Gruber's answer to the HN thread & tweets of last week.
The article, though, is spot-on. The problem, to my eyes, is that it doesn't really vibe with the situation.
People are not complaining that they didn't have a say. Most people I've read seem to understand the reasoning behind the initial decision.
What the complaints are about are not about John's decision to leave 5by5 but about the dickish way he decided to do it.
Being a bigger dick afterwards by implying he can do whatever he wants with his podcast (won't even go into how bad it looks that he sees TTS as "his" podcast and not the job of the two, regardless of him being the star host) doesn't help.
The wording of the announcement and the hyperbole he lavishes muleradio with make the whole thing even worse.
Re: Dan Benjamin: Regarding The Talk Show
#74When Gruber said "Readability is run by scumbags" [1] for hijacking referral links, I'd say right back at you, John Gruber, you're a scumbag for hijacking the name of the show and exiting with a total lack of class.
I hope the fluffing [2] Mike Monteiro [3] gave you was worth tossing Dan and 5by5 under the bus.
[1]: http://daringfireball.net/linked/2012/03/30/readability
[2]: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=fluffing
Re: Dan Benjamin: Regarding The Talk Show
#75The classiest guy in podcasting. Bravo Sir.
Leo Laporte is pretty damn classy. But do I agree this was a class-act thing to do for the listeners of 5by5.
Really?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2078355/Tech-guru-ac...
Dan seems like the real deal.
Re: Dan Benjamin: Regarding The Talk Show
#76Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't think Dan's ability to "move the topic along" should be underestimated. It's a real skill to be able to give a discussion somewhat on topic and on time and he is excellent at it. I can't imagine trying to get even 20 minutes of useful content from Merlin Mann but Dan does it every week on Back to Work!
But almost all the 5by5 major shows are horribly overtime. Hypercritical, Back to Work, Build and Analyse, the once Talk Show, every host other than Dan is rambling, on and on and on and on for hours. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy it, 5by5 podcasts are background noises when I walking around the city, doing chores etc. But information densities are really low (Back to Work is an exception but per Merlin's style it's so…
I guess what I was trying to saw was not that Dan can/cannot control the amount of time his co-hosts spend orating, but that he gets them to come out of their shell and say what they truly think on topics. I think it's fair to say that the majority of people on the 5by5 network are not the stereotypical, media-friendly, smooth-talking celebs that we might be used to on traditional radio, but they are very knowledgeable about their topics and speak with conviction - something which is very important. Through various means, including playing dumb at times and asking 'obvious' questions, Dan does an excellent job in getting these 'geeks' to open up and talk at length about things that they are passionate about. I don't see what he does as a being passive and not contributing - I think he is very consciously getting the most out of his co-hosts.
Re: Dan Benjamin: Regarding The Talk Show
#77Gruber is taking a page out of the Apple PR book by not saying anything, unless there is something good to be said. This may help move the news cycle along but it's still no way to treat a friend.
He's not exactly "not saying anything". The top link on DF ("Why wasn't I consulted", a 16-month old piece) could be interpreted as a reply. Follow the attribution link and read: "Apropos of nothing. Ahem."
Excellent point. The title of the article which he craftily links to is "The Odd World of Digital Groupies". It's 2.5 years old and has the bolded subtitle " Obsessed fans spend hours online trying to talk to their rock gods—and sometimes, the efforts turn toxic. Doree Shafrir goes inside the bizarre world of extreme internet fandom."
Re: Dan Benjamin: Regarding The Talk Show
#78When Gruber said "Readability is run by scumbags" [1] for hijacking referral links, I'd say right back at you, John Gruber, you're a scumbag for hijacking the name of the show and exiting with a total lack of class. I hope the fluffing [2] Mike Monteiro [3] gave you was worth tossing Dan and 5by5 under the bus. [1]: http://daringfireball.net/linked/2012/03/30/readability [2]: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php…
Mike Monteiro is actually https://twitter.com/#!/mike_ftw - FTW, not WTF. (he's got a fairly NSFW twitter background incidentally)
Re: Dan Benjamin: Regarding The Talk Show
#79Disclosure: Dan is my friend. He's actually one of my best friends. I know far more about this situation than most, I am not unbiased. I love Dan for doing this. I think it was the right way to address listeners and also express himself on the topic. John doesn't need to give his take if he doesn't want to -- and I don't think anyone would expect him to. People do expect more transparency with Dan, and that's why, ho…
I think this private situation only became public when dan mentioned it? if it truely is private why not have that trump whatever public business expectations there are. if it's private, it's private. my personal taste is not to use private situations as pr.
Re: Dan Benjamin: Regarding The Talk Show
#80Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't think it needs doing properly. Seriously, listen to one, if you don't think it could be improved with 15 minutes trimming then I'd be amazed.
I don't know about that. Just to even get an idea of what you want to edit, you need at least the amount of time it takes for you to review your raw material, which in this case could be over 2 hours sometimes... (I work with a lot of audio, though no podcasts, so I may still be underestimating a bit)
I think we are mainly talking about the kind of editing where you delete an entire section because it never got interesting.
Unfortunately, these are live podcasts for the most part so there is no real incentive to do that... you already put it out once as a finished product so why spend more effort on it?