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Re: Identical twins both grew up with autism, but took different paths

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Post by SiempreViernes »

AnthonyMouse wrote: post #68
thaumasiotes wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, what's your point? Vectors with larger magnitudes have larger magnitudes than vectors with smaller magnitudes do? If you're going to defend the idea that something I said was incorrect, maybe you should have some idea of what it was?

You keep referring to the magnitude of the vector itself rather than the magnitude of its components. > Vectors with larger magnitudes have larger magnitudes than vectors with smaller magnitudes do? Vectors with more dimensions have larger magnitudes than vectors with fewer components, for the same average magnitude of the components. The distance between the origin and (1,1) is less than the distance between the ori…

I think their point boils down to the fact that you can require that all vectors have the same magnitude, irrespective of the dimensionality of the space, which is of course true.

The next step is them doing a black knight and pretending they didn't put in the requirement by hand.

Re: Identical twins both grew up with autism, but took different paths

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Post by OJFord »

scottlamb wrote: post #54

This is driving me oddly nuts: > "I think there's an understanding that 'My twin isn't quite as capable of communicating in the way that they need to, so I'll help them with that,'" she says. > That description fits Sam and John. > When asked to name his favorite episode of Sesame Street, John blurts out a series of words: "Abby makes the seasons change." Sam understands immediately and quickly steps in to explain. >…

Devil's advocate: it is characteristically autistic to have episode names memorised like that, and it sort of is 'blurting out a series of words' if you don't know that's what it is; a more 'normal' answer might be more like a description of the episode or 'the one called [...]'. I think perhaps you can see that in Sam's assistance, he doesn't know the episode names, possibly he knows or expects that is an episode name, and is describing one he remembers that it probably names.

I don't think there were necessarily saying that John just said a load of nonsense that didn't answer the question, just that it needed a bit of deciphering; that Sam helped explain what he meant to a non-fan.

Re: Identical twins both grew up with autism, but took different paths

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Post by alpaca128 »

teaearlgraycold wrote: post #56
scottlamb wrote: post #54

This is driving me oddly nuts: > "I think there's an understanding that 'My twin isn't quite as capable of communicating in the way that they need to, so I'll help them with that,'" she says. > That description fits Sam and John. > When asked to name his favorite episode of Sesame Street, John blurts out a series of words: "Abby makes the seasons change." Sam understands immediately and quickly steps in to explain. >…

Nice. Even without that being the episode name, it's one word away from being a more understandable answer - "When Abby makes the seasons change". Not exactly word salad.

How so? It's a perfectly valid and complete English sentence either way.

Re: Identical twins both grew up with autism, but took different paths

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Post by atombender »

astura wrote: post #18
hiciu wrote: post #2

> identical twins at opposite ends of the autism spectrum. I understand this is just a figure of speech, but this wording suggests that there are "two ends" of the spectrum and (as I understand it) autistic communities are trying to fight that myth.

I mean... that's literally the definition of "spectrum" From a few random dictionaries: >2. used to classify something, or suggest that it can be classified, in terms of its position on a scale between two extreme or opposite points. >a range of different positions, opinions, etc. between two extreme points ?????

The medical use of the word "spectrum" doesn't always describe a continuum, but classification criteria along multiple dimensions. Autism is no longer considered a "position on a scale".

Re: Identical twins both grew up with autism, but took different paths

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Post by TeMPOraL »

OJFord wrote: post #82
scottlamb wrote: post #54

This is driving me oddly nuts: > "I think there's an understanding that 'My twin isn't quite as capable of communicating in the way that they need to, so I'll help them with that,'" she says. > That description fits Sam and John. > When asked to name his favorite episode of Sesame Street, John blurts out a series of words: "Abby makes the seasons change." Sam understands immediately and quickly steps in to explain. >…

Devil's advocate: it is characteristically autistic to have episode names memorised like that, and it sort of is 'blurting out a series of words' if you don't know that's what it is; a more 'normal' answer might be more like a description of the episode or 'the one called [...]'. I think perhaps you can see that in Sam's assistance, he doesn't know the episode names, possibly he knows or expects that is an episode na…

Is that autistic, or is that just normal for someone who cares, and who actually has a favorite episode? I can't imagine not picking up the title after watching an episode a few times.

Re: Identical twins both grew up with autism, but took different paths

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Post by Barrin92 »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #85
OJFord wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Devil's advocate: it is characteristically autistic to have episode names memorised like that, and it sort of is 'blurting out a series of words' if you don't know that's what it is; a more 'normal' answer might be more like a description of the episode or 'the one called [...]'. I think perhaps you can see that in Sam's assistance, he doesn't know the episode names, possibly he knows or expects that is an episode na…

Is that autistic, or is that just normal for someone who cares , and who actually has a favorite episode? I can't imagine not picking up the title after watching an episode a few times.

It's definitely autistic to name drop the title to an audience of adults who likely don't remember anything about Sesame Street and being too literal. It shows the difference in cognitive ability between the brothers pretty well. The brother who seems to be doing better in daily life has a pretty good idea of what kind of answer a random person would expect.

Re: Identical twins both grew up with autism, but took different paths

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Post by [deleted] »

Barrin92 wrote: post #86
TeMPOraL wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is that autistic, or is that just normal for someone who cares , and who actually has a favorite episode? I can't imagine not picking up the title after watching an episode a few times.

It's definitely autistic to name drop the title to an audience of adults who likely don't remember anything about Sesame Street and being too literal. It shows the difference in cognitive ability between the brothers pretty well. The brother who seems to be doing better in daily life has a pretty good idea of what kind of answer a random person would expect.

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Re: Identical twins both grew up with autism, but took different paths

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Post by ben_w »

lazyasciiart wrote: post #77
ben_w wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> What is never discussed, and isn't considered in this article, are certain types of other medical interventions - vaccination It's very frequently discussed. The downvotes you're expecting are because this meme can be traced to a fraudulent claim in 1998: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lancet_MMR_autism_fraud I declined the MMR vaccine at school because I was at school when that story came out, and at that point he…

That’s actually a totally different story, this commenter is talking about a Canadian psychiatrist in the 2000s. https://doctors.cpso.on.ca/DoctorDetails/Drew-Jeffrey-Andrew...

I'm suggesting the second is a memetic descendant of the first.

Unless there were other ancestors of both?

Re: Identical twins both grew up with autism, but took different paths

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Post by ZeroGravitas »

AlexandrB wrote: post #34
__s wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are multiple dimensions https://getgoally.com/blog/autism-spectrum-wheel Along with many comorbidities (adhd, ocd, depression, etc) which are more likely but not requisite This leads to the saying "if you've met one person with autism, you've met one person with autism"

> "if you've met one person with autism, you've met one person with autism" Isn't this true for just about any condition? It's not like people with ADHD or depression all behave exactly the same. I understand the urge to avoid categorizing people too broadly, but at the same time making the "taxonomy" of a condition hyperspecific is contradictory to having the label in the first place. If saying "I have autism" has n…

I've heard it used exactly that way for ADHD.

But more widely, there's a bunch of conditions of varying severity that might be caused by being in a car crash. That doesn't make "I was in a car crash" a bad answer to "what happened to your leg/eye/speech", it's just a fact.

Re: Identical twins both grew up with autism, but took different paths

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Post by thaumasiotes »

AnthonyMouse wrote: post #68
thaumasiotes wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, what's your point? Vectors with larger magnitudes have larger magnitudes than vectors with smaller magnitudes do? If you're going to defend the idea that something I said was incorrect, maybe you should have some idea of what it was?

You keep referring to the magnitude of the vector itself rather than the magnitude of its components. > Vectors with larger magnitudes have larger magnitudes than vectors with smaller magnitudes do? Vectors with more dimensions have larger magnitudes than vectors with fewer components, for the same average magnitude of the components. The distance between the origin and (1,1) is less than the distance between the ori…

> Vectors with more dimensions have larger magnitudes than vectors with fewer components, for the same average magnitude of the components.

Is this related to something that's been said so far?

>> [sidethread] The next step is them doing a black knight and pretending they didn't put in the requirement by hand.

Obviously, I didn't. It was already there before I made my first comment. Look up:

>>> Two complex numbers can have the same magnitude & be very far apart.

The only thing we've ever been discussing is what can happen between vectors of the same magnitude. But if you want to discuss what can happen between vectors of different magnitudes... everything I said is still true! It's easy to construct low-dimensional vectors with high magnitudes, and in fact the construction that I already gave, of interpreting large vectors within a space defined partially by themselves, will do the job.

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