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Identical twins both grew up with autism, but took different paths

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Re: Identical twins both grew up with autism, but took different paths

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It's so interesting to see the differences in their faces. I can tell from the folds and wrinkles on Sam's face that he engages in more neurotypical communication.

Autistic individuals often have differences in muscle tone and hypermobile joints

there's a link to Ehlers-Danlos syndrom (EDS) there as well enl

Re: Identical twins both grew up with autism, but took different paths

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This seems to bolster the theory that autism is modulated by the gut-brain axis. Being given antibiotics at such an early age will probably severely dysregulation gut microbiota. And GABA actually does cross the BBB but in small amounts. Perhaps at such an early age, dysregulation in GABA produced in the gut has significant effects on brain health - over stimulation, learning memory issues, etc.

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> What is never discussed, and isn't considered in this article, are certain types of other medical interventions - vaccination

It's very frequently discussed.

The downvotes you're expecting are because this meme can be traced to a fraudulent claim in 1998: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lancet_MMR_autism_fraud

I declined the MMR vaccine at school because I was at school when that story came out, and at that point he and his claim were taken somewhat seriously.

(I did get the vaccine eventually).

> For the very young, the brain does not 're-route' and developmental milestones are simply missed, whereas in adults it's possible to relearn skills

That's the exact opposite of how it works. E.g. language acquisition in adulthood is much harder.

Re: Identical twins both grew up with autism, but took different paths

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That’s possible but he did get crazy antibiotics as well. FTA: “The infection was from drug-resistant staph bacteria. So John went back to the hospital and spent a month on powerful antibiotics pumped directly into a vein near his heart.”

...or just being in the hospital environment for a month. The older theory they mentioned here: > "The earliest twin studies really helped to debunk this theory that autism was caused by parenting," Morris says. Under this theory, moms took the brunt of the blame, supposedly for being "cold and distant and detached from their child." ...might not be entirely wrong. They've since shown genetics is a factor, and I'll i…

This has been studied a lot in child welfare and is not currently believed, afaik. The diagnosis of reactive attachment disorder is acknowledged to have many overlapping symptoms with autism, but expressly differentiated as a condition.

Re: Identical twins both grew up with autism, but took different paths

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This seems to bolster the theory that autism is modulated by the gut-brain axis. Being given antibiotics at such an early age will probably severely dysregulation gut microbiota. And GABA actually does cross the BBB but in small amounts. Perhaps at such an early age, dysregulation in GABA produced in the gut has significant effects on brain health - over stimulation, learning memory issues, etc.

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Moulden was a snake-oil peddling quack with a degree in psychology who was never licensed to practice medicine. He peddled something called "BrainGuard" that purported to diagnose autism by looking at a picture or short video of a child or even a baby.

https://web.archive.org/web/20100109213523/http://brainguard...

> YOU are Now the Expert: Now You can diagnose vaccine induced Alzheimer’s dementia (or autism) several years before the Medical Doctor’s do – amongst your family and friends. You can also diagnose Autism (as it is is happening) in newborns, babies, teens – common signs. LOOK here to learn and practice your skills – starting

He also hooked up with something called therapies4kids to peddle a suit that could somehow cure or alleviate autism: https://web.archive.org/web/20090925065222/http://www.therap...

https://vaccineconspiracytheorist.blogspot.com/2011/01/quack...

https://hatingautism.blogspot.com/2009/10/dr-andrew-moulden-...

Re: Identical twins both grew up with autism, but took different paths

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This seems to bolster the theory that autism is modulated by the gut-brain axis. Being given antibiotics at such an early age will probably severely dysregulation gut microbiota. And GABA actually does cross the BBB but in small amounts. Perhaps at such an early age, dysregulation in GABA produced in the gut has significant effects on brain health - over stimulation, learning memory issues, etc.

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Amazingly enough, this Andrew Moulden is a completely unrelated person to Andrew Wakefield, with his own much more sincere but correspondingly more crackpot theory for why vaccines cause autism. I think it can be well summarized as “germ theory is wrong; germs (viruses and bacteria) don’t cause diseases, foreign particles entering the body causes them”. This claim is clearly and fundamentally wrong, just like the claim about neuroplasticity that you quote. There is no value in his work.

Re: Identical twins both grew up with autism, but took different paths

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Amazingly enough, this Andrew Moulden is a completely unrelated person to Andrew Wakefield, with his own much more sincere but correspondingly more crackpot theory for why vaccines cause autism. I think it can be well summarized as “germ theory is wrong; germs (viruses and bacteria) don’t cause diseases, foreign particles entering the body causes them”. This claim is clearly and fundamentally wrong, just like the cla…

Very solid takedown of Wakefield: https://peterattiamd.com/briandeer/

Re: Identical twins both grew up with autism, but took different paths

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> What is never discussed, and isn't considered in this article, are certain types of other medical interventions - vaccination It's very frequently discussed. The downvotes you're expecting are because this meme can be traced to a fraudulent claim in 1998: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lancet_MMR_autism_fraud I declined the MMR vaccine at school because I was at school when that story came out, and at that point he…

That’s actually a totally different story, this commenter is talking about a Canadian psychiatrist in the 2000s. https://doctors.cpso.on.ca/DoctorDetails/Drew-Jeffrey-Andrew...

Re: Identical twins both grew up with autism, but took different paths

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The autist focuses. Concentrates. Invests his entire attention in a particular sliver of the experiential buffet. That's autism. If it's a useful sliver then there you go.

I have not seen a better description of what autism might be like at a higher (or lower, depending on whether one’s metaphysics align with materialism or not) level than “investing entire attention in a particular sliver of the experiential buffet”.

Amazing at maths but can’t keep a conversation, holed up at home working out like a maniac all the time, musical genius but incapable in daily life[0]—everyone probably knows one or more of such people, especially earlier in life. Is that another side of the same coin? Is it only when this sliver’s intersection with the multi-dimensional space of social-cultural norms is insufficient that other people tend to get weirded out?

[0] These are only some examples, I am sure there are many other ways it can manifest that are familiar to us but were not really thought of as a byproduct of autism. And, of course, some of these can be caused by other factors (e.g., the working out example could be a symptom of body dysmorphia).

Re: Identical twins both grew up with autism, but took different paths

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This seems to bolster the theory that autism is modulated by the gut-brain axis. Being given antibiotics at such an early age will probably severely dysregulation gut microbiota. And GABA actually does cross the BBB but in small amounts. Perhaps at such an early age, dysregulation in GABA produced in the gut has significant effects on brain health - over stimulation, learning memory issues, etc.

Reading the article, it turns out the one twin who is "more autistic" had a hole in his heart that surgery had to correct. So I suspect the actual issue here is something simpler like a difference in brain development because of the difference in the amount of blood flow.

This is Hackernews, where all major health issues are traceable to the gut.

Re: Identical twins both grew up with autism, but took different paths

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This seems to bolster the theory that autism is modulated by the gut-brain axis. Being given antibiotics at such an early age will probably severely dysregulation gut microbiota. And GABA actually does cross the BBB but in small amounts. Perhaps at such an early age, dysregulation in GABA produced in the gut has significant effects on brain health - over stimulation, learning memory issues, etc.

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While we're exploring the quack-medicine space, have we ruled out heavy metal poisoning? I'm surprised someone with an MD from the University of Hackernews hasn't recommended the Cutler protocol as a cure.
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