We need a kind of Kagi but it should be user-owned and controlled.
I Lost Faith in Kagi
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I get OP's take, but freediver is essentially saying that Orion and their other ventures are a part of the vision. To OP and others, it may seem like a side-mission or a waste of resources, but I trust the guy bootstrapping the company with his own money. Hell, Orion is the first Webkit browser where FireFox and Chrome plug-ins work on iOS. If may seem like a misstep, but I see it as calculated. If Kagi search hopes…
It's a stretch to justify paying for search, but I do it. To find out I actually pay for a bunch of stuff I don't care about when search is still a work in progress, naw bro, I'm good. I don't go to a restaurant that has a partial menu to fund a race team. Cool that was your reason for opening the place, you sunk a ton of money into something you think it super cool, but I'm actually here for the food and ignored you…
If this if your reaction, you may not know how a bunch of companies work.
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> ...and to be clear, Hacker News is not a representative sample of their customers. I am a customer and I learned about Kagi here. I assume many people are on the same boat, so I wouldn't be so sure about that.
FWIW I'm a customer and had never read about it on HN until this post. I learned about it from a private Discord programmer community.
Same shit, really.
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iPhone
I use it in my iphone with no trickery. Perhaps it’s easiest to use Orion…i’ve found it very nice.
Asking me to change web browsers is insane, so off the table. That leaves going to kagi.com in my browser to then search, but nobody does that. I am opening the web browser, and using the address bar to search, and I want that experience to be good. To have that flow work with kagi you have to jump through some pretty crazy hoops. The point where I unsubscribed for good was when the crazy hoops stopped working.
I get it, chips are stacked against them, but something as critically well understood as searching the web just HAS to work as expected, because the free alternatives have a very very good UX.
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#515I pay for Kagi because I like the search functionality as oppose to google which is heavily monitized, also I use summarizer alot. I wish my search is not capped
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I prefer internet ads to Billboards. Billboards are disgusting.
I prefer billboards, but I think that’s probably because they are exotic for me. We don’t really have them in Germany (or at least where I am), so when I see them in South Africa, they are always this cool and interesting thing.
As a south african, you get desensitized and I dislike them deeply. They always take my focus off the road or sometimes are lit up like the sun..
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DDG is like that. If it can't find any more matches it seems to spam random results. I tried Kagi and really enjoyed it but the pricing tier doesn't sit right with me, it's not that much better than DDG for my purposes . All these monthly subs start to add up. I'd be happier if there was a lifetime tier.
How much would you drop for a lifetime license of a product like this?
A lifetime subscription on a service for a one-time fee has so many perverse incentives I wouldn't trust a company offering this.
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He's right though (or at least I agree with him). Full anonymity is hard to achieve. Kagi is aiming for more privacy, I.e. a search engine and browser that doesn't track your habits or sell them to data brokers to identify you. Kagi does that very well.
Eh, a founder that effectively says 'we don't care if we give away the identity of our users if they are criminals' is not totally in line with my definition of an organization focused on privacy. At least not a definition of privacy I really care about. It's very Mark Zuckerberg 2004.
I definitely agree that this comment was extremely problematic.
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What people say they want is usually something completely different to their purchasing behaviour, and as a business you should listen little to what people say they want and listen much to how they spend their money. For just about any business, if they were to ask their customers or the public at large what they want, the answer is usually "We want free stuff!". Cool to do if you're a politician, but bad business p…
>and as a business you should listen little to what people say they want and listen much to how they spend their money. yeah well if I never pay money for kagi and never speak about anything how the hell is kagi supposed to know what they could do to get me to pay for them?
Casting a wide net and see what they catch, like most businesses who are not making bespoke solutions for their clients. Probably there is nothing they could do that would make you specifically pay for them.