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I Lost Faith in Kagi

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Re: I Lost Faith in Kagi

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Post by nunez »

yreg wrote: post #29

I've read the first third of the article and I didn't get what's the author's problem with Kagi. What do they care how many employees Kagi has or how much they spend on t-shirts. Then I scrolled through the rest of it and read the very last screenshot. That one looks pretty bad. > people who really need anonymity are very rare. probably less than a 100 in the entire world. definitely not typical Kagi users > unless t…

He's right though (or at least I agree with him).

Full anonymity is hard to achieve.

Kagi is aiming for more privacy, I.e. a search engine and browser that doesn't track your habits or sell them to data brokers to identify you. Kagi does that very well.

Re: I Lost Faith in Kagi

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Post by tokai »

yreg wrote: post #29

I've read the first third of the article and I didn't get what's the author's problem with Kagi. What do they care how many employees Kagi has or how much they spend on t-shirts. Then I scrolled through the rest of it and read the very last screenshot. That one looks pretty bad. > people who really need anonymity are very rare. probably less than a 100 in the entire world. definitely not typical Kagi users > unless t…

Ouch. I have been on the fence about paying for Kagi for some time now. Will definitely not touch any project presided over by someone with such a viewpoint.

Re: I Lost Faith in Kagi

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Post by sph »

t8sr wrote: post #187
sph wrote: post #168

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Jesus I agree with some of the post, but the author seems to be an insufferable human. This has all the characteristics of terminally-online people that spend way too much time being angry on social media, and needing the world know how angry they are. Like, these days you do not know when you email someone if they reply to you, or if they will post screenshots of your entire conversation to social media showing how…

At the risk of sounding grumpy, a big difference between the tech community today and in the Usenet days is that the Usenet crowd's interpersonal skills weren't two standard deviations to the left of the mean at your local Target.

We reminisce about Usenet as this cesspool of human interaction, while everybody today is a pre-offended sociopath with an audience.

I miss talking with the average idiot from the 2000s internet.

Re: I Lost Faith in Kagi

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Post by tombert »

I don't know that I agree with all these complaints.

Making a bunch of free shirts is something DuckDuckGo did too, I have one. Is it a bit weird they incorporated their own factory for it? Yeah, but I guess I just figured that that was part of their marketing budget. How many cool products have we seen die just because their marketing was crappier than their competitors?

I do think that building their own browser is a waste of resources, but I think that the AI tools also are kind of marketing. People utilizing the universal summarizer gets the name out there, and allows people to see the Kagi branding more frequently. Are they spreading themselves too thin? Maybe, but simultaneously I do feel like the second that someone has to reach for Google to do anything, that's going to whittle away at their potential market share. I think the fear is that people are going to say "if I have to do X using Google anyway, why should I stick with Kagi, especially since Google is free?"

It's tough to say, I've been a paying Kagi user for about a year, I like it, it's a product that I actually think is better than vanilla Google. I really want them to succeed, so maybe I'm viewing what they are doing with rose-colored glasses, but most of the complaints in this blog post didn't seem completely horrible to me.

Re: I Lost Faith in Kagi

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Post by ceejayoz »

carlosjobim wrote: post #179
ceejayoz wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> There are people who argue that just the name of a person is PII and they are wrong. It's very easy for a name to be PII. I'm quite certain mine is unique, due to hyphenating when I got married.

Your name by itself and not connected to anything else, is not PII. But there are many people who argue that.

> Your name by itself and not connected to anything else...

It's in your database. That's inherently a connection to something else.

Re: I Lost Faith in Kagi

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Post by nottorp »

internetter wrote: post #172
keiferski wrote: post #87

I am increasingly convinced that the successor/replacement to Google will not be a more clever, AI-powered search engine, but a hyper-curated collection of links, selected by people who understand what good content is. Sort of like Yahoo in the pre-Google days. I think this is only going to become more apparent once AI-generated content takes over the web.

I’m working on a pinboard competitor (that is, essentially, just reviving development of it) One thing I want to look into is ranking algorithms based on individual engagement. So, if you save lots of stories from a site, it ranks higher. If lots of people save stories from a site, it also ranks higher, ect

And... when the bots come and "engage", what will you do?

Re: I Lost Faith in Kagi

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Post by jmull »

This is a great argument against the kind of blog where you just drop your stream of consciousness into a publicly available document, which may be archived and searchable. Uptake on a site like HN may seem like a win now, but it also means there will be no hiding from it.

This is the kind of thing that comes up when you're trying to form new relationships (whether personal or career/business) so you may not want to put your worst side forward.

(I have no opinion on Kagi, BTW, since I know virtually nothing about it.)

Re: I Lost Faith in Kagi

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Post by freediver »

paradite wrote: post #45

The real lesson here is that as a founder, don't spend too much time discussing with your users on discord. Gathering feedback good. But getting involved in philosophical discussion or how to run the company looks like a bad idea.

Kagi founder here. I am probably 'guilty' of reading and responding to every comment on discord, our feedback forum and I still respond to support tickets.

This does invite trouble but interacting with users of the product I am building is also the only way I know how to do it and is keeping me sane. Not to mention it helps build a great product, as users probably 'built' half of it with feedback.

I never thought that talking too much with the customers can be bad but it also may be true that full openness approach becomes a burden at some point and that it would be healthier to separate from it a bit.

Re: I Lost Faith in Kagi

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Post by graemep »

A lot of this seems to be "I do not like Vlad".

The only issue that has been brought up here that concerns me is privacy, and the important thing there is that whether search history data is stored and can be linked to and account. Some things like personalisation features require it, but what about the rest? It does concern me that I have to take their word for it.

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