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Libgourou: A Free Implementation of Adobe's Adept DRM on ePub/PDF Files

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Re: Libgourou: A Free Implementation of Adobe's Adept DRM on ePub/PDF Files

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I adamantly believe that this is morally and ethically OK in all situations. If you buy a copy of a book, it's your right to read it on any device of yours you want, even ones that haven't been manufactured yet. I bought a copy of Stephen King's "The Stand" 30 years ago and it's still on a bookshelf here ready for me to read at any time. If I'd bought an ebook copy of it instead, I'm just as ethically permitted to re…

Pretty sure everyone agrees with that, even the DRM makers. It's just that in practice there is no way to allow a user to fully own a file, allow sharing that file with a few friends but disallow uploading it to a torrent site and sharing with the whole world. I get HN hates DRM and for good reason but im sympathetic to the problem the ebook distributors are trying to solve. It only takes 1 person uploading a file to…

Considering that the DRM is so simple to strip, even from Kindle books, it's not a high bar for anyone even remotely interested in uploading it to a filesharing site.

The DRM is not saving any of these authors sales. I buy books because I want to not because DRM stopped me.

Re: Libgourou: A Free Implementation of Adobe's Adept DRM on ePub/PDF Files

#53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I adamantly believe that this is morally and ethically OK in all situations. If you buy a copy of a book, it's your right to read it on any device of yours you want, even ones that haven't been manufactured yet. I bought a copy of Stephen King's "The Stand" 30 years ago and it's still on a bookshelf here ready for me to read at any time. If I'd bought an ebook copy of it instead, I'm just as ethically permitted to re…

(Devil's advocate here) When you made an Amazon account, and each time you purchase one of their ebooks, you agree to their "Terms of Service", which states that you won't do some of the things you want to do with your ebook. Amazon wouldn't sell/license you the book if you told them you were going to break the DRM and read it on a Kobo. In effect, you're lying to Amazon in order to use their property in a way they s…

> In effect, you're lying to Amazon in order to use their property in a way they specifically don't want you to.

Well they aren't their property in the first place. Amazon is just the middleman who facilitate the exchange of goods/services.

Re: Libgourou: A Free Implementation of Adobe's Adept DRM on ePub/PDF Files

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I've used this several times to read books I've legally purchased. An indispensable bit of software.

I adamantly believe that this is morally and ethically OK in all situations. If you buy a copy of a book, it's your right to read it on any device of yours you want, even ones that haven't been manufactured yet. I bought a copy of Stephen King's "The Stand" 30 years ago and it's still on a bookshelf here ready for me to read at any time. If I'd bought an ebook copy of it instead, I'm just as ethically permitted to re…

Well said. The inherent flaw in anything digital is the inevitable bit rot. 30 years from now, it'll be interesting to see which ancient file formats can still be read by anything.

Or maybe it won't matter by then, because it'll all be accessible in our BrainLib persistent memory chips.

Re: Libgourou: A Free Implementation of Adobe's Adept DRM on ePub/PDF Files

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Is downloading ever copyright infringement? I was under the impression that it is the uploading, i.e. distributing that is illegal, not receiving the copy.

Receiving a copy is unquestionably infringement. You're copying it to your computer. Even pirate streams are copying it to your RAM.

I do the same with all media I access legally, some of which I definitely do not have a license for. At least I've never seen anyone provide me with a license for anything I am reading on this webpage.

It never really made sense to me to view copyright as dictating what you are allowed to do with something. People do try to turn it into that, but it makes far more sense if you view the act of publishing as the step that is protected by copyright.

Laws do differ on this point but if we want to have any hope of owning anything in a digital world we need to push back against the idea that copyright allows someone to dictate the lives of anyone using their intellectual property.

Re: Libgourou: A Free Implementation of Adobe's Adept DRM on ePub/PDF Files

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> Before anyone bothers "correcting" me with nonsense about buying a license instead of a copy, don't bother. > It's impossible to convince me that it's wrong to share a copy with my wife, any more than it'd be wrong to lend her my physical copy after I'm done reading it. I completely agree with you on this issue. I think it's grotesque the way digital "purchases" work, to the point where I am boycotting Kindle and e…

You're quite right. It's just that I've had this specific argument before, I've heard the arguments, and they're unconvincing. The first few times -- yes, I talk about this kind of thing more often than you might imagine -- it was intellectually challenging in the way you describe. Are my own points valid and reasonable? Do they bring up new points I should consider? It gets tiresome after a while, though. No one eve…

Actually: can you share the license more easily than the whole book? Then you did not buy a license either. The “license argument” is silly and contradictory.

Re: Libgourou: A Free Implementation of Adobe's Adept DRM on ePub/PDF Files

#58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I adamantly believe that this is morally and ethically OK in all situations. If you buy a copy of a book, it's your right to read it on any device of yours you want, even ones that haven't been manufactured yet. I bought a copy of Stephen King's "The Stand" 30 years ago and it's still on a bookshelf here ready for me to read at any time. If I'd bought an ebook copy of it instead, I'm just as ethically permitted to re…

Pretty sure everyone agrees with that, even the DRM makers. It's just that in practice there is no way to allow a user to fully own a file, allow sharing that file with a few friends but disallow uploading it to a torrent site and sharing with the whole world. I get HN hates DRM and for good reason but im sympathetic to the problem the ebook distributors are trying to solve. It only takes 1 person uploading a file to…

DRM is security theater at this point. It's easy to find any book in any format on the internet. Amazon perpetuates this myth to authors and publishers that without DRM their book will be everywhere for free (which it already is), but all it does it keep them locked to Amazon out of fear.

The problem for the vast majority of authors isn't theft, it's that no one ever discovers their book at all.

Re: Libgourou: A Free Implementation of Adobe's Adept DRM on ePub/PDF Files

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Is it stealing when someone buys a book legally and then downloads it drm-free to save it for future use? (As should be normal)

Is downloading ever copyright infringement? I was under the impression that it is the uploading, i.e. distributing that is illegal, not receiving the copy.

I feel like some copyright holders would have you believe that both uploading and downloading copyrighted material is breaking the law. However, in practice, it's far more expensive to chase the downloading party as well as far less effective. Stopping the act of uploading stops the act of downloading in many cases.

Re: Libgourou: A Free Implementation of Adobe's Adept DRM on ePub/PDF Files

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(Devil's advocate here) When you made an Amazon account, and each time you purchase one of their ebooks, you agree to their "Terms of Service", which states that you won't do some of the things you want to do with your ebook. Amazon wouldn't sell/license you the book if you told them you were going to break the DRM and read it on a Kobo. In effect, you're lying to Amazon in order to use their property in a way they s…

Self-published author here—I agree with these points and I hate DRM myself. I write DRM free books and I publish them on Amazon for the Kindle. Since they ask authors, I presume they share the DRM status too, although maybe not as prominently. I recently decided to buy another Kindle. I prefer paper books but I’m running low on space. When I looked at my library I realized the Kindle app has faithfully kept a list of…

Amazon will put DRM on a "DRM-free" book if it's using their new format KFX.
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