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Re: German state moving 30k PCs to LibreOffice

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> Does MS provide SLAs? Are there no suppliers who will provide similar SLAs for FOSS software? Gotta love how internet commentators feel like picking a statement apart in isolation somehow validates their point. Yes, they offer SLAs and have full control of their software and its release cycle. So can offer guarantees and stand by them. > That puzzles me. How can you have more control over proprietary software than…

> It means that they aren't at the whims of a community who decides to abandon projects willy-nilly or replace them with brand new implementations at the drop of a hat. Yeah, because only the Open Source community ever does that. Corporations never do... /s (The "Google Graveyard" site is famous, but wasn't there one for Microsoft too? I want my Microsoft Bob to be maintained, dammit!) ETA: > The fact that people con…

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Re: German state moving 30k PCs to LibreOffice

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> Does MS provide SLAs? Are there no suppliers who will provide similar SLAs for FOSS software? Gotta love how internet commentators feel like picking a statement apart in isolation somehow validates their point. Yes, they offer SLAs and have full control of their software and its release cycle. So can offer guarantees and stand by them. > That puzzles me. How can you have more control over proprietary software than…

> It means that they aren't at the whims of a community who decides to abandon projects willy-nilly or replace them with brand new implementations at the drop of a hat. Yeah, because only the Open Source community ever does that. Corporations never do... /s (The "Google Graveyard" site is famous, but wasn't there one for Microsoft too? I want my Microsoft Bob to be maintained, dammit!) ETA: > The fact that people con…

You forgot to quote this part:

> Gotta love how internet commentators feel like picking a statement apart in isolation somehow validates their point.

Re: German state moving 30k PCs to LibreOffice

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Cool Hopefully they will move 30,000 wonkdows PC's to linux once Microsoft imposes the £61 annual extended security updates fee. let me open my terminal and start up python: 30000*61 1830000 £1,830,000 for the first year extended security updates and will double in consequitive years. A tad greedy! for a few old rotten wonkdows 10 machines. They first collected our data for free, then had the audacity to charge us fo…

> once Microsoft imposes the £61 annual [...] 30000*61 1830000 £1,830,000 for the first

What makes you think Microsoft would invoice their customers in Germany in British pounds? Weird unit to use when commenting on an article about Germany on an international site.

Re: German state moving 30k PCs to LibreOffice

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Probably lower then people think once the applications are identical across the two platform. and if Linux turns too complex there is always macos. The big push is going to be getting rid of old excel and word macro's and replace sharepoint/onedrive with something else as data migrations are newer as simple in reality as they look in theory.

> and if Linux turns too complex there is always macos I have witnessed in person people switching from Windows to macOS have issues adapting to a different operating system and its concepts, like the fact that pressing the X button in the top-left corner doesn't close the application. Therefore I am rather skeptical that you can just throw some Linux distro at a bunch of novice computer users without large amounts o…

> Therefore I am rather skeptical that you can just throw some Linux distro at a bunch of novice computer users without large amounts of friction.

Not your main point, but: If they really were novice computer users it would be a snap; the problem is that they aren't -- can't be, if they're already conditioned to Windows being "the standard".

Then again, I think that this is often exaggerated, even for long-time Windows users. What's so hard about switching -- "Oh, but people are so used to all their handy Windows shortcuts!"? Bah -- they don't even know they exist!

Re: German state moving 30k PCs to LibreOffice

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> and if Linux turns too complex there is always macos I have witnessed in person people switching from Windows to macOS have issues adapting to a different operating system and its concepts, like the fact that pressing the X button in the top-left corner doesn't close the application. Therefore I am rather skeptical that you can just throw some Linux distro at a bunch of novice computer users without large amounts o…

Your example feels like shots fired because the programs running without windows concept still confuses me. It just doesn't compute. I'm a sysadmin and have been using Macs on and off since System 7, Windows since 95, and probably 10000 Linux distros/DE combos. Just as a point of reference.

Try using Microsoft Office some time. Sure, Word and Excel go away when you close the last document or workbook -- but Outlook and Teams don't. For outlook, there's a separate menu (Uh, "ribbon"?) item "Quit" under "File"; for Teams, not even that; you have to right-click the icon in the task bar. Close all their windows, and AFAICR they'll still pop up notifications.

Re: German state moving 30k PCs to LibreOffice

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I have nothing against Linux or libreoffice. I just think forcing thousands of workers to drastically alter their work environment is going to be traumatic and I’ll lay odds that in 12 months they switch back or to a hybrid model.

Or what’s just as likely, workers will use personal Windows computers to do their work and shuffle things onto their work computers as needed. People don’t like change.

Having to bring your own equipment to work seems to be such a big thing in America that Americans assume it works the same everywhere. I'm pretty sure German workers wouldn't even dream of using their own computers for work. Not that they even could, because German employers would never let those computers onto their network in the first place.

Re: German state moving 30k PCs to LibreOffice

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No need to tell me you haven't touched a linux distribution in the last 2 decades.

I’ve run a Debian server for decades. But I do use nano and not vim.

I hear there's this nifty new thing called a graphical desktop environment nowadays. Even on Linux.

Re: German state moving 30k PCs to LibreOffice

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and yet thats only ever brought up when defending windows despite the fact that MS is cauing this kind o issues every 3-5 years. So how is it that people can go from XP->vista->10->11 and not break the bank on retraining or from windows to MacOS but somehow anything else is impossible. This is not an logically coherent argument against linux it's basically admins being scared of having their decades of investment int…

Do you know how many Excel apps run in windows shops. Windows isn’t dying anytime soon.

> Do you know how many Excel apps run in windows shops.

Just one, Microsoft Excel.

Re: German state moving 30k PCs to LibreOffice

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A question mark before open source productivity tools find mass adoption is their ability to integrate ML/AI tools. The current hype notwithstanding, it is likely that the next generation productivity suite (from spreadsheets to document editors etc) will support important algorithmically augmented workflows and non-technical users will expect them to be available. Libreoffice and friends must have a forward looking…

> A question mark before open source productivity tools find mass adoption is their ability to integrate ML/AI tools.

No, the question is how long it will take before the world admits that this "AI" emperor is naked.

> The current hype notwithstanding,

Whaddayamean "notwithstanding"? The hype can't be notwithstanding, since hype is all it is.

Re: German state moving 30k PCs to LibreOffice

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> It means that they aren't at the whims of a community who decides to abandon projects willy-nilly or replace them with brand new implementations at the drop of a hat. Yeah, because only the Open Source community ever does that. Corporations never do... /s (The "Google Graveyard" site is famous, but wasn't there one for Microsoft too? I want my Microsoft Bob to be maintained, dammit!) ETA: > The fact that people con…

You forgot to quote this part: > Gotta love how internet commentators feel like picking a statement apart in isolation somehow validates their point.

I hadn't made any other point before that, had I? That isolated bit was my entire point.
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