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How to found a company in Germany: 14 "easy" steps and lots of pain

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Re: How to found a company in Germany: 14 "easy" steps and lots of pain

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> Because most countries don't have that sort of document (including the US) They don’t? I thought this was a pretty standard sort of document to get…

It is, the GP is wrong, its called a Statement Of No Marriage, many states can provide this.

I am seeing different things online about this, de.usembassy.gov says "no such government issued document exists in the United States", but maybe they are referring to the federal government.

In any case it say that since 2021 Germany will accept a sworn oath from US residents to declare their eligibility.

Re: How to found a company in Germany: 14 "easy" steps and lots of pain

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> Because most countries don't have that sort of document (including the US) They don’t? I thought this was a pretty standard sort of document to get…

Yes, it is. Usually, a certificate that says, "No record of marriage of this person in this county". Though, there is still a step to apostille and translate it to German for German cities to use it.

I don't know how common it is, but this is a page of the Stuttgart court:

https://oberlandesgericht-stuttgart.justiz-bw.de/pb/,Lde/Sta...

- Countries without a link they have no info

- Countries with a link, but are cursive, generally provide the certificate in most cases (this seems to be broken, I see no cursive ones, but the UK is among this group, which one can see when opening the link; but that seems to be the minority).

- All others they seem to suggest need to go through the exemption process.

Re: How to found a company in Germany: 14 "easy" steps and lots of pain

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post #779

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> then even though I wrote the vows myself in Italian, just because I am American we had to have it translated by someone else back into English, by hand, just so I understood the vows I had myself written. We then had to contract someone to read the vows out loud in English at the ceremony so I understood my own words. I badly want to learn the historical reason for this insistence that non-Italian-speaking foreigne…

In Hungarian courts a contract that you cannot read is invalid, or at least, highly contestable in court. So translations are needed. I guess it must be the same in many other jurisdictions.

This would support the counterparty requiring a translation, but doesn't explain why the bureaucracy would need it.

Re: How to found a company in Germany: 14 "easy" steps and lots of pain

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post #775

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> Because most countries don't have that sort of document (including the US) They don’t? I thought this was a pretty standard sort of document to get…

It is, the GP is wrong, its called a Statement Of No Marriage, many states can provide this.

No, I had to do this when I moved to Europe with my non-married fiancee.

Some states can give you a statement saying "This person never has gotten married in our state", but they cannot pull the records of every state. In fact, the state that I was living in could not even do that -- only individual counties could pull records saying "This person did not have a wedding within this county". There are no central records.

When I tried to use that as a record of non-marriage, it was not accepted for the above reasons. My fiancee and I needed to give a signed oath to a notary that we were not married, and take that document to the state's office to be apostilled.

Re: How to found a company in Germany: 14 "easy" steps and lots of pain

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For those of you griping about German bureaucracy I urge you to come to Italy to learn just how good you have it. My wife is Italian and wanted to get married in her small home town. In order for her to get married to an American in her home town required paperwork that bordered on the Kafkaesque. We had to show up at the Italian embassy in Washington DC (fortunately we live there!) with proof and witnesses that I wa…

>in Italy, a wedding is a contract

Last time I checked it is a contract just about anywhere, including the United States. Marriage rights are primarily property rights. (or "liabilities", ask any divorce lawyer).

Re: How to found a company in Germany: 14 "easy" steps and lots of pain

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Hey! I am a different American living in Germany. For me (and I didn't fully appreciate this until I moved here) there is an incredible amount of mental overhead in the US. Questions you don't have to ask yourself in Germany: - What happens if I get very sick? Do I have enough savings for cancer? - What happens if I lose my job? Do I have enough savings to get by if my job fires me? - What happens if something happen…

All fantastic examples. A semi-joking game we used to play at my high school was "Firework or gunshot?". A few more to add: - If I call the police, will they help? Will they help me ? Many people I know are SCARED by the police when they're just minding their business, which I'd say indicates something wrong. We nearly had a civil war in 2020 over police killings. - Very little walking or biking infrastructure. Very…

Thank you very much for your (and the GP's) input. Interesting perspectives.

As I said, I was hoping for more personal experiences like "this happened to me so I decided to leave" than just perceptions and perceived fears which can be too easily influenced or biased. I can understand how they add up and create stress but so does flying for a lot of people - while being one of the safest modes of transportation.

For example, going to the US, my main fear was violence, and more specific gun violence and terrorism. Luckily I never encountered either, even if there were quite a few shootings and even 9/11! during my very stay. Today I'd just say these are statistically insignificant events (as horrifying as they are).

Secondly I was terrified of losing my job - with everything it entailed, especially my work visa. And I did get fired, eventually. Luckily the whole thing went swimmingly, with COBRA & severance pay picking up the slack during a short search and my next company continuing my visa sponsorship.

I was also afraid of cops (thanks, Hollywood!) but all encounters I actually had (noise complaints during parties and traffic stops) were quite amusing & polite.

In the end I had an amazing, positive experience living in the USA and it also helped me appreciate and understand Europe better. After all the years living in the EU now I could write a whole lot more about the horrors here (corruption, bureaucracy and the Russian threat easily come to mind) but that's not the topic and I am too old to believe there is a perfect place for everybody. Each choice is personal and it's composed from countless subjective, even subconscious factors - so good luck with yours!

Re: How to found a company in Germany: 14 "easy" steps and lots of pain

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A country that is incredibly rich in historical significance (both good and bad), cultural traditions, art (historical and modern), regional variety and nature. Cities are walkable, public transport is mostly decent (it's perfectly fine to live without a car if you're in the city), crime is low, poverty is low, the economy has been tanking a bit recently, but has traditionally been doing well. In terms of mentality,…

Don't forget bread. Whenever I travel to the US I'm appalled by what is considered good bread there. Not throwing shade here, it's just what it is. On the flipside, buying Avocados here in Germany is akin to a crime against humanity.

Then travel to Switzerland and IMHO German bread is just average anymore.

Re: How to found a company in Germany: 14 "easy" steps and lots of pain

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post #775

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It is, the GP is wrong, its called a Statement Of No Marriage, many states can provide this.

I can't speak to whether that would qualify in Germany, but it seems like it'd be pretty easy to establish residency in some state for the explicit purposes of getting one of these if you were committed to this for some sort of scam or something.

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Re: How to found a company in Germany: 14 "easy" steps and lots of pain

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The degradation comes from waves of austerity politics by right wing governments. These services are expensive and require staff to keep things going. Austerity ideology dictates that there simply must be inefficiency in public services, and cuts are the cure to this disease since this will cause the public sector to "make do and mend" and end up running more efficiently, rather than having a knock on effect and decr…

I know basically nothing about Finland, and was curious about your comment as I find government spending an interesting topic. So the first thing I did was look up the government budget trends in Finland. [1] As an outsider it just seems that the Finnish budget is growing at an exponential pace? From 2010 to 2019 the budget went from ~50bn to 55bn per year, nearly managing to even create a balanced budget in 2018. Fr…

As Weber observed, the free market requires a lot of bureaucracy.

Re: How to found a company in Germany: 14 "easy" steps and lots of pain

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post #799

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> then even though I wrote the vows myself in Italian, just because I am American we had to have it translated by someone else back into English, by hand, just so I understood the vows I had myself written. We then had to contract someone to read the vows out loud in English at the ceremony so I understood my own words. I badly want to learn the historical reason for this insistence that non-Italian-speaking foreigne…

> I badly want to learn the historical reason for this insistence that non-Italian-speaking foreigners must understand the contract they're entering into. They wouldn't put up these hoops to jump through unless someone's gotten badly burned in the past, right? Turn the situation around. Rich Italian imports wife from poor country, … easy to imagine how that can lead to all sorts of bad situations. It’s one of the way…

I don't know if that makes a significant difference for that purpose.

It's not like places where weddings take place are conspicuous enough that you couldn't tell the difference between them and a normal govt agency, and it's not like people don't know it is a very bad idea to sign documents where they do not even understand a single word.

The paper trail of a vanilla (let alone international) marriage is already big enough that I doubt criminals would want that, unless they have corrupt officials assisting them, which is a problem these measures do not address.

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