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Microsoft unveils sandbox boundaries for Windows 8/Metro developers

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Re: Microsoft unveils sandbox boundaries for Windows 8/Metro developers

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Post by metrop0219 »

jamesu wrote: post #19

There are a lot of claims made here with regards to how end-users will effectively like to download and try apps from the metro store and take the time to write a good reasoned review about their experience. Given the average response i've heard from end-users however, i somewhat doubt this. Most people i've talked to simply hate metro. Looking at other app stores, most reviews i've seen are low quality and emotional…

Something tells me that most people don't hate metro lol. Its gotten a lot of praise and awards last I checked

Re: Microsoft unveils sandbox boundaries for Windows 8/Metro developers

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Post by [deleted] »

mkup wrote: post #20
nemeth wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Windows 8 Metro apps can be written in real C++. How could they sandbox a custom C++ app? There's no virtual machine to do it. http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/apps/hh46504...

Virtual machine is not required for sandboxing C++ apps in 21st century. [1] http://code.google.com/p/nativeclient/ [2] http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/research/security/capsicum/

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Re: Microsoft unveils sandbox boundaries for Windows 8/Metro developers

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Post by tomjen3 »

dpark wrote: post #15
DavidAbrams wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How? Windows installation has been fine for a decade and a half. Actually, it's going BACKWARD, with vendors now not bothering to ask you WHERE you want application links stored and instead littering your machine's program menu with endless directories named after themselves. Who the hell organizes their applications by vendor? I want my graphics apps together, my audio apps in another group, general office-type apps…

Sorry, I think you missed a pretty big memo. The Start Menu is gone in Windows 8.

Does this also mean that winbutton no longer gives you access to search through your programs and documents?

Re: Microsoft unveils sandbox boundaries for Windows 8/Metro developers

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Post by vetinari »

DavidAbrams wrote: post #12
yoblin wrote: post #2

One upside of this is that it looks like they're really pushing the one-click installs. It isn't apt or yum, but it's certainly better than what Windows has now..

How? Windows installation has been fine for a decade and a half. Actually, it's going BACKWARD, with vendors now not bothering to ask you WHERE you want application links stored and instead littering your machine's program menu with endless directories named after themselves. Who the hell organizes their applications by vendor? I want my graphics apps together, my audio apps in another group, general office-type apps…

Windows installation has been not fine by any stretch of imagination. It still has the same problems:

1) It is third party service, not provided by system (yes, I know about Microsoft Installer); it is up to the application vendors what they will use,

2) Installers can litter in the system, wherever they want (see your complaint about Start menu),

3) No 100% working uninstallation and/or repair, you will end-up with installers damaging your system and having to reinstall (even Microsoft ones; how the heck do I get rid of CJK IMEs, that Proofing Tools for Office 2010 "helpfully" installed?),

4) No update service, you end up with many updaters slowing down your system,

5) and many more.

If you think, that Windows installation is fine - have you ever seen install systems on other OSes?

Re: Microsoft unveils sandbox boundaries for Windows 8/Metro developers

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Post by recoiledsnake »

tomjen3 wrote: post #23
dpark wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry, I think you missed a pretty big memo. The Start Menu is gone in Windows 8.

Does this also mean that winbutton no longer gives you access to search through your programs and documents?

No... just hit winbutton and start typing away.

Re: Microsoft unveils sandbox boundaries for Windows 8/Metro developers

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Post by bringking »

nemeth wrote: post #6
eslaught wrote: post #3

"While it is possible to hide or obfuscate calls to APIs that are not included in the SDK, this is still a violation of customer expectations and Store policy." Wait, does the platform not include a sandbox to make sure this doesn't happen? What "security" can you expect to get out of such a platform?

Windows 8 Metro apps can be written in real C++. How could they sandbox a custom C++ app? There's no virtual machine to do it. http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/apps/hh46504...

It may be C++ but it is managed C++ that runs on the above the WinRT layer just like C#, and Javascript for metro. It will have the same restrictions as the other languages. It is actually interesting, in fact when you start a metro project at least in beta, you get the WinRT libraries and that's it. A ton of the traditional .NET classes have been moved into the WinRT library or removed all together.

Re: Microsoft unveils sandbox boundaries for Windows 8/Metro developers

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Post by DavidAbrams »

vetinari wrote: post #24
DavidAbrams wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How? Windows installation has been fine for a decade and a half. Actually, it's going BACKWARD, with vendors now not bothering to ask you WHERE you want application links stored and instead littering your machine's program menu with endless directories named after themselves. Who the hell organizes their applications by vendor? I want my graphics apps together, my audio apps in another group, general office-type apps…

Windows installation has been not fine by any stretch of imagination. It still has the same problems: 1) It is third party service, not provided by system (yes, I know about Microsoft Installer); it is up to the application vendors what they will use, 2) Installers can litter in the system, wherever they want (see your complaint about Start menu), 3) No 100% working uninstallation and/or repair, you will end-up with…

Yes, extensively Mac OS. Now you want to talk about a turd, that is it.

PackageMaker is abandonware and an absolute fiasco. I don't even know where to begin documenting how this "product" fails at its primary task so utterly. Have you ever tried building an installer with it? Even Apple products tried to avoid it; Final Cut Studio, for example.

When the Mac installer does anything, it's just as capable of littering your system with crap.

And the Mac uninstaller doesn't leave turds behind, because it doesn't exist. You just have unknown crap all over your system.

Then there was the total lack of any way to install a single printer driver from Apple's collection until (IIRC) SnowLeopard. You got to install half a gig of drivers for every Epson printer ever made, just to support your one printer.

It has been quite a while since I've had a Windows uninstaller break my system. Do a lot of them leave turds? Yep. But at least they remove the bulk of the payload.

Re: Microsoft unveils sandbox boundaries for Windows 8/Metro developers

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Post by DavidAbrams »

dpark wrote: post #15
DavidAbrams wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How? Windows installation has been fine for a decade and a half. Actually, it's going BACKWARD, with vendors now not bothering to ask you WHERE you want application links stored and instead littering your machine's program menu with endless directories named after themselves. Who the hell organizes their applications by vendor? I want my graphics apps together, my audio apps in another group, general office-type apps…

Sorry, I think you missed a pretty big memo. The Start Menu is gone in Windows 8.

That "memo" (otherwise known as a rumor) has already gone back and forth, and I have better things to do than baby-sit Microsoft's UI regressions.

Actually, the Start menu itself was a regression. What is it being replaced with?

Re: Microsoft unveils sandbox boundaries for Windows 8/Metro developers

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Post by DavidAbrams »

recoiledsnake wrote: post #25
tomjen3 wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does this also mean that winbutton no longer gives you access to search through your programs and documents?

No... just hit winbutton and start typing away.

Because you remember the name of every program on your computer, including that seldom-used demuxing utility you downloaded last year.
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