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John Gruber takes 'The Talk Show' to Mule Radio

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Re: John Gruber takes 'The Talk Show' to Mule Radio

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Post by ruswick »

pooriaazimi wrote: post #96
frou_dh wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's out of order. Dan is a coder, a writer, something of a designer, and has founded or been involved with several startups. He shows he knows a thing or two. Put another way, I very much doubt any of these co-hosts you admire share your view that Dan is clueless.

Yes, he is a coder (Ruby on Rails), has had talks on Ruby, is familiar with iOS development, Perl, PHP (he said PHP was the language he used daily for a couple years) and is not clueless at all. He has also done a few PeepCode screencasts (Ruby, Sinatra, jQuery, Mercurial, Command Line, vi, ...). The problem is John Siracusa, who basically knows too much.

Dan does know a lot about development. But compared to people like Marco and John Siracusa, who know about everything, Dan seems to take a back seat to the other co-hosts.

Re: John Gruber takes 'The Talk Show' to Mule Radio

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Post by undoerer »

olog-hai wrote: post #128

Say what you will about Mike Arrington fueling lots of silly drama, but at least when something like this happens he's open about it and we get to hear his side of the story. By remaining tight-lipped, Dan's inviting lots of speculation. Which is worse? Last fall, Dan, John Siracusa, Merlin, and Marco were enchanted by his new producer, Faith Korpi. A couple of months later she disappeared. Jake Erickson wrote the fo…

Interestingly, the Jake Erickson quotes have been deleted from Quora.

Re: John Gruber takes 'The Talk Show' to Mule Radio

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Post by eazyeazy »

awolf wrote: post #55

Shame on you John Gruber. Seriously though, it's John's show and he's free to take it to another network. I just _really_ hope that this transition was done in a respectful manner and that there isn't bad blood between 5by5 and Mule. A little background: Let's Make Mistakes, Mule Radio's main show, got started with 5by5's help. Let's Make Mistakes was a 5by5 network show for it's first year of existence. It garnered…

Feel free to show how you feel by rating the podcast in iTunes and the new mule radio app as well.

Re: John Gruber takes 'The Talk Show' to Mule Radio

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Post by FuzzyPuffin »

hogepodge wrote: post #126

Something to think about. This isn't the first time a show disappeared. Remember when Geek Friday was good and Dan was co-hosting it with Faith? One wonders what happened, any why Dan was made angry enough to suggest a truly dismal co-host for Faith. Blame Gruber if you want, but I'm almost certain that Dan had a part in this too.

There's a post above that explains this, but essentially Dan fired her as his producer, and the other hosts rallied for her to get the show back.

I disagree that the show is bad, though. Jason's hilarious, despite his terrible taste in movies. The two of them have great chemistry together.

Re: John Gruber takes 'The Talk Show' to Mule Radio

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Post by pacomerh »

pooriaazimi wrote: post #119
pacomerh wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This 5by5 drawing sums it up, http://goo.gl/6kXwj It's a good network overall, Merlin's show is mostly funny, he can touch on interesting topics about productivity, but mostly his character is very peculiar.

:) I can almost hear Siracusa saying that! Who's the guy in the middle left? (I think the discussion on this submission is one of the most intellectually-uninteresting HN discussions ever!)

Guy on the middle left is Zeldman

Re: John Gruber takes 'The Talk Show' to Mule Radio

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Post by alwillis »

scheeko wrote: post #103
awolf wrote: post #55

Shame on you John Gruber. Seriously though, it's John's show and he's free to take it to another network. I just _really_ hope that this transition was done in a respectful manner and that there isn't bad blood between 5by5 and Mule. A little background: Let's Make Mistakes, Mule Radio's main show, got started with 5by5's help. Let's Make Mistakes was a 5by5 network show for it's first year of existence. It garnered…

I don't know if the transition was respectful in what regards Dan, but it sure was not respectful towards the listeners. As you, I also feel he's free to move his show wherever he wants, but I also thing he owes his listeners an explanation, or at least a comment. 5by5 was the house we visited to listen to John (with Dan) and we show up and he's not there. A mere link on his website, with no explanation, is, in my op…

As much as like Gruber, hearing him read Piezo’s sponsor message was kind of painful.

Re: John Gruber takes 'The Talk Show' to Mule Radio

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Post by alwillis »

olog-hai wrote: post #128

Say what you will about Mike Arrington fueling lots of silly drama, but at least when something like this happens he's open about it and we get to hear his side of the story. By remaining tight-lipped, Dan's inviting lots of speculation. Which is worse? Last fall, Dan, John Siracusa, Merlin, and Marco were enchanted by his new producer, Faith Korpi. A couple of months later she disappeared. Jake Erickson wrote the fo…

Thanks for clearing that up. It seemed weird that after making such a big deal about hiring Faith, Dan didn't say anything after she was clearly gone. I thought she added a lot to 5by5.

Re: John Gruber takes 'The Talk Show' to Mule Radio

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Post by dasil003 »

pooriaazimi wrote: post #86
timmins wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are some moments between Mann and Benjamin that are so funny that I have to pause, finish laughing and resume. It's always when they cycle through "I think you mean.." and "No, you're probably thinking..."

What are Mann's episodes about? I tried to listen a few times but I never fully understood what it was about and got confused... Could you give me a few pointers?!

I suggest starting from the beginning. There is a lot of gold in those first few months of episodes, and they tend to get to the meat faster. These days they've built up quite a thick layer of memes and inside jokes, but they still talk about good stuff. If you don't enjoy the humor it's probably not worth it, but you won't be giving it a fair shot unless you get in from the ground floor. It's also probably the only 5by5 show that ages well.

Re: John Gruber takes 'The Talk Show' to Mule Radio

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Post by alwillis »

frou_dh wrote: post #95
ruswick wrote: post #93

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That's what makes the shows good. Dan, like most hosts that own networks (like Leo) don't really know a lot and don't really contribute to the conversation. Their job is to get the best cohorts and let them do their thing. As far as I'm concerned, the less Dan talks, the better. That's more time that people like Siracusa and Marco get to talk.

That's out of order. Dan is a coder, a writer, something of a designer, and has founded or been involved with several startups. He shows he knows a thing or two. Put another way, I very much doubt any of these co-hosts you admire share your view that Dan is clueless.

Dan is a smart guy; however, he doesn't have the in-depth tactical knowledge about how Apple works. Some of his questions and assertions about Apple are naive, which can be frustrating to listen to at times.
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