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Re: John Gruber takes 'The Talk Show' to Mule Radio

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Post by chmars »

jscarlton wrote: post #45
smparkes wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just more gossip, but the first thing that comes to mind whenever I think of @Mike_FTW is "Fuck You, Pay Me". Which in principle isn't bad, but ...

I'd bet that's the core of it. Gruber probably thought he deserved more money, and Mule was willing to give it to him. The 5by5 hosts bring the lion's share of the value to the network, and I can't blame them if they want to get paid as such. It isn't screwing 5by5, per se, but perhaps a little scummy (as Gruber might write)? UPDATE: Other explanations I'd also bet on (might as well hedge, right?): (1) Gruber wanted…

Do Gruber, Arment et al. actually get paid for co-hosting such podcast shows? If so, how much can I geek celebrity expect in terms of USD?

I had always assumed it was free and easy advertisement for their apps, sites etc.

Re: John Gruber takes 'The Talk Show' to Mule Radio

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Post by pooriaazimi »

stuntmouse wrote: post #71
jkahn wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This. Gruber's flippant attitude has been bringing the Talk Show down for the past few months. Dan is what holds it together. These days, Hypercritical is by far the best podcast I listen to. It's not worth listening to without Dan Benjamin.

Agreed on Hypercritical being the stronger show now. It's also something that ages better, so that old episodes are still informative.

Absolutely. After months of being constantly busy, finally I had a few days to myself and listened to first episodes of Hypercritical (I got on aboard from episode 30) and they are really informative. Even those that are about really old events (like iPhone 5 predictions) are really insightful.

Re: John Gruber takes 'The Talk Show' to Mule Radio

#83

Post by timmins »

pohl wrote: post #64

This is a shame, because I think that Dan Benjamin is a funny guy and good host. It took me a while to realize it. I initially came to 5by5 for Siracusa, Dediu, Gruber and Arment (in that order) but the longer I listen the more I appreciate Dan. Just last week I was loving how Dan will say something outrageous, framed as a casual, factual statement about the co-host, to elicit a reaction. ("You just sit around in you…

There are some moments between Mann and Benjamin that are so funny that I have to pause, finish laughing and resume.

It's always when they cycle through "I think you mean.." and "No, you're probably thinking..."

Re: John Gruber takes 'The Talk Show' to Mule Radio

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Post by hrktb »

TwistedWeasel wrote: post #19

I'm pretty disappointed with this move. I was getting a little tired of the Talk Show on 5By5 but it was still enjoyable because Dan brought humor and structure to the show. I remember when Let's Make Mistakes split off and formed a new podcast network it felt odd to me at the time, like they used 5By5 to get some initial audience and then took them for themselves. For some reason it fit with the impression I get tha…

Let's make mistakes was an odd fit anyway, a bit like The Incomparable (which is very good but would belong more to a macworld network obviously).

Listening right now to the mule version of The Talk Show, it feels dull and way worse than when cohosted by Dan. It would actually be way funnier with a cohost like Mike Monteiro.

Re: John Gruber takes 'The Talk Show' to Mule Radio

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Post by smparkes »

chmars wrote: post #81
jscarlton wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd bet that's the core of it. Gruber probably thought he deserved more money, and Mule was willing to give it to him. The 5by5 hosts bring the lion's share of the value to the network, and I can't blame them if they want to get paid as such. It isn't screwing 5by5, per se, but perhaps a little scummy (as Gruber might write)? UPDATE: Other explanations I'd also bet on (might as well hedge, right?): (1) Gruber wanted…

Do Gruber, Arment et al. actually get paid for co-hosting such podcast shows? If so, how much can I geek celebrity expect in terms of USD? I had always assumed it was free and easy advertisement for their apps, sites etc.

They get paid. Dan talks about it occasionally, around talking about FreshBooks, I think.

No idea how much, but I think it was David Smith of Developing Perspective that said a week of DF sponsorship was $7K and 5by5 $5K? Sure at least the latter must depend on the show. Plus I'm probably mixing things up. Episode 42?

Re: John Gruber takes 'The Talk Show' to Mule Radio

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Post by pooriaazimi »

timmins wrote: post #83
pohl wrote: post #64

This is a shame, because I think that Dan Benjamin is a funny guy and good host. It took me a while to realize it. I initially came to 5by5 for Siracusa, Dediu, Gruber and Arment (in that order) but the longer I listen the more I appreciate Dan. Just last week I was loving how Dan will say something outrageous, framed as a casual, factual statement about the co-host, to elicit a reaction. ("You just sit around in you…

There are some moments between Mann and Benjamin that are so funny that I have to pause, finish laughing and resume. It's always when they cycle through "I think you mean.." and "No, you're probably thinking..."

What are Mann's episodes about? I tried to listen a few times but I never fully understood what it was about and got confused... Could you give me a few pointers?!

Re: John Gruber takes 'The Talk Show' to Mule Radio

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Post by Sakurina »

timmins wrote: post #83
pohl wrote: post #64

This is a shame, because I think that Dan Benjamin is a funny guy and good host. It took me a while to realize it. I initially came to 5by5 for Siracusa, Dediu, Gruber and Arment (in that order) but the longer I listen the more I appreciate Dan. Just last week I was loving how Dan will say something outrageous, framed as a casual, factual statement about the co-host, to elicit a reaction. ("You just sit around in you…

There are some moments between Mann and Benjamin that are so funny that I have to pause, finish laughing and resume. It's always when they cycle through "I think you mean.." and "No, you're probably thinking..."

I think you're thinking of "I think you're thinking of…"

Re: John Gruber takes 'The Talk Show' to Mule Radio

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Post by reaganing »

frou_dh wrote: post #80
barredo wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Indeed. I listened to Marco Arment, Gruber and Siracusa everyweek. And then Horace Dediu every other week... but I got really tired and started skipping parts or shows altogether because I didnt want to sit through listening the same thing 4 times (ie: Apple v. Samsung, iOS5 launch, Lion launch, etc). I think i learnt the most with Siracusa and Horace Dediu, but the show with Merlin Mann is the most inspirational.

Back to Work is probably my favourite podcast! It's definitely not an "Apple and stuff" show :)

Yep, that's primarily why it's my favorite as well.

Re: John Gruber takes 'The Talk Show' to Mule Radio

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Post by ZanderEarth32 »

pooriaazimi wrote: post #86
timmins wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are some moments between Mann and Benjamin that are so funny that I have to pause, finish laughing and resume. It's always when they cycle through "I think you mean.." and "No, you're probably thinking..."

What are Mann's episodes about? I tried to listen a few times but I never fully understood what it was about and got confused... Could you give me a few pointers?!

Productivity...well, kind of. If the show is an hour long you get 45 minutes of madness with Mann and Dan talking almost incoherently but then you get 15 minutes of brilliance from Mann. I always walk away with some useful quip or anecdote about life or work.

Re: John Gruber takes 'The Talk Show' to Mule Radio

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Post by boristhespider »

pohl wrote: post #50
jmreid wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Kind of sounds like Gruber didn't like it when Dan said "So, you approved a new 5by5 t-shirt." That strikes me as something Gruber would get pissed off about — Dan not clearing something like a new t-shirt that uses 'his' brand.

Googling "5by5 tshirts "the talk show"", found a link described as. "The Talk Show T-Shirt (WWDC 2012 Edition) has finally arrived!Featuring The Talk Show logo printed on a black" http://shop.5by5.tv/password "This run is done, thanks for coming by!" Already pulled.

I think the run was only supposed to be very short anyway (it ended a while back), to be ready in time for WWDC.
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