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John Gruber takes 'The Talk Show' to Mule Radio

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Re: John Gruber takes 'The Talk Show' to Mule Radio

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Post by stuntmouse »

jkahn wrote: post #40
TwistedWeasel wrote: post #19

I'm pretty disappointed with this move. I was getting a little tired of the Talk Show on 5By5 but it was still enjoyable because Dan brought humor and structure to the show. I remember when Let's Make Mistakes split off and formed a new podcast network it felt odd to me at the time, like they used 5By5 to get some initial audience and then took them for themselves. For some reason it fit with the impression I get tha…

This. Gruber's flippant attitude has been bringing the Talk Show down for the past few months. Dan is what holds it together. These days, Hypercritical is by far the best podcast I listen to. It's not worth listening to without Dan Benjamin.

Agreed on Hypercritical being the stronger show now. It's also something that ages better, so that old episodes are still informative.

Re: John Gruber takes 'The Talk Show' to Mule Radio

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Post by lukeman »

Garwor wrote: post #65
lukeman wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No need to speculate in that direction. These are big companies and smart people—I'm sure they came to an agreement. I just found the whole thing odd.

Big companies? What big companies? Everybody involved works for himself.

Maybe not the best wording on my part. I meant that they're reputable folks all around. There was no reason to speculate negatively about the app and Daniel's explanation above confirms that.

Re: John Gruber takes 'The Talk Show' to Mule Radio

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Post by lleims »

dlpasco wrote: post #53
lukeman wrote: post #3

So Mule now has The Talk Show and its new iOS app is really a reskinned 5by5 app that never was released (check inside the app bundle and you'll see the class prefix is FBF and the 5by5 logo is even in there—presumably unused). Nerd drama. edit: here's a screengrab of the Mule Radio app bundle if you're curious: http://cl.ly/1E240C0C272c2R3L2N19

Hi there, I'm Dan, CEO of Black Pixel. I'd like to clear the air on this issue. The application and the source code in question belongs to Black Pixel. We designed and developed the application in-house, at our own expense, and were going to license the binary for free, non-exclusive use on the 5by5 network, but that deal didn't work out. Quite some time later, we got to know the folks at Mule Radio, and felt like th…

Thanks for clarifying that.

Re: John Gruber takes 'The Talk Show' to Mule Radio

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Post by awolf »

dlpasco wrote: post #53
lukeman wrote: post #3

So Mule now has The Talk Show and its new iOS app is really a reskinned 5by5 app that never was released (check inside the app bundle and you'll see the class prefix is FBF and the 5by5 logo is even in there—presumably unused). Nerd drama. edit: here's a screengrab of the Mule Radio app bundle if you're curious: http://cl.ly/1E240C0C272c2R3L2N19

Hi there, I'm Dan, CEO of Black Pixel. I'd like to clear the air on this issue. The application and the source code in question belongs to Black Pixel. We designed and developed the application in-house, at our own expense, and were going to license the binary for free, non-exclusive use on the 5by5 network, but that deal didn't work out. Quite some time later, we got to know the folks at Mule Radio, and felt like th…

You guys definitely should have refactored the class prefix and removed the 5by5 assets though, right?

Re: John Gruber takes 'The Talk Show' to Mule Radio

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Post by pooriaazimi »

itsmequinn wrote: post #32
TwistedWeasel wrote: post #19

I'm pretty disappointed with this move. I was getting a little tired of the Talk Show on 5By5 but it was still enjoyable because Dan brought humor and structure to the show. I remember when Let's Make Mistakes split off and formed a new podcast network it felt odd to me at the time, like they used 5By5 to get some initial audience and then took them for themselves. For some reason it fit with the impression I get tha…

Totally agreed. I know views are split on Gruber and I fell on the side of genuinely liking his blog and The Talk Show, but I think I'm done with both. I can't imagine how someone could do this to Dan. Hypercritical is the new hotness anyway.

I'm absolutely disgusted right now. I shouldn't feel like it, but I think Gruber has screwed me personally. Shame on him (though I understand that he has a family and needs to make a living), but I just can't imagine how anyone could do it to Dan Benjamin...

I was never a talk show fan and prefer the excellent Hypercritical (with John Siracusa). For those who haven't listened to hypercritical: give it a shot, you won't regret it -- http://5by5.tv/hypercritical

Re: John Gruber takes 'The Talk Show' to Mule Radio

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Post by chmars »

dlpasco wrote: post #53
lukeman wrote: post #3

So Mule now has The Talk Show and its new iOS app is really a reskinned 5by5 app that never was released (check inside the app bundle and you'll see the class prefix is FBF and the 5by5 logo is even in there—presumably unused). Nerd drama. edit: here's a screengrab of the Mule Radio app bundle if you're curious: http://cl.ly/1E240C0C272c2R3L2N19

Hi there, I'm Dan, CEO of Black Pixel. I'd like to clear the air on this issue. The application and the source code in question belongs to Black Pixel. We designed and developed the application in-house, at our own expense, and were going to license the binary for free, non-exclusive use on the 5by5 network, but that deal didn't work out. Quite some time later, we got to know the folks at Mule Radio, and felt like th…

@dlpasco:

You have never received a dime of money for your app. So did you donate your app to the Mule Radio Network?

I had never heard of Black Pixel before. Now I know that you (or at least one of your developers) is rather of the lazy kind. Comm'on, renaming 5by5 to mule should have been a no-brainer!

Re: John Gruber takes 'The Talk Show' to Mule Radio

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Post by noir »

dlpasco wrote: post #53
lukeman wrote: post #3

So Mule now has The Talk Show and its new iOS app is really a reskinned 5by5 app that never was released (check inside the app bundle and you'll see the class prefix is FBF and the 5by5 logo is even in there—presumably unused). Nerd drama. edit: here's a screengrab of the Mule Radio app bundle if you're curious: http://cl.ly/1E240C0C272c2R3L2N19

Hi there, I'm Dan, CEO of Black Pixel. I'd like to clear the air on this issue. The application and the source code in question belongs to Black Pixel. We designed and developed the application in-house, at our own expense, and were going to license the binary for free, non-exclusive use on the 5by5 network, but that deal didn't work out. Quite some time later, we got to know the folks at Mule Radio, and felt like th…

Glad the app was able to see the light of day. It's a wonderful app and it's great that it was able to be used for a network, and people worthy of it.

Re: John Gruber takes 'The Talk Show' to Mule Radio

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Post by chmars »

lukeman wrote: post #72
Garwor wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Big companies? What big companies? Everybody involved works for himself.

Maybe not the best wording on my part. I meant that they're reputable folks all around. There was no reason to speculate negatively about the app and Daniel's explanation above confirms that.

It is only an explanation from ONE of the parties involved (although following Occam's razor I am willing to believe it).

Re: John Gruber takes 'The Talk Show' to Mule Radio

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Post by frou_dh »

barredo wrote: post #58
frou_dh wrote: post #49

The number of shows on 5by5 based around "Apple/Something" was approaching parody anyway. By my count, there are 5-6 remaining for your perusal. I do like 5by5, and use Macs myself, but a toning down of the echo-chamber is not all bad.

Indeed. I listened to Marco Arment, Gruber and Siracusa everyweek. And then Horace Dediu every other week... but I got really tired and started skipping parts or shows altogether because I didnt want to sit through listening the same thing 4 times (ie: Apple v. Samsung, iOS5 launch, Lion launch, etc). I think i learnt the most with Siracusa and Horace Dediu, but the show with Merlin Mann is the most inspirational.

Back to Work is probably my favourite podcast! It's definitely not an "Apple and stuff" show :)
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