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John Gruber takes 'The Talk Show' to Mule Radio

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Re: John Gruber takes 'The Talk Show' to Mule Radio

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Post by chmars »

lukeman wrote: post #3

So Mule now has The Talk Show and its new iOS app is really a reskinned 5by5 app that never was released (check inside the app bundle and you'll see the class prefix is FBF and the 5by5 logo is even in there—presumably unused). Nerd drama. edit: here's a screengrab of the Mule Radio app bundle if you're curious: http://cl.ly/1E240C0C272c2R3L2N19

It would be interesting to know who paid how much of the app development. I hope Dan Benjamin did not get screwed by Gruber, the Mule Radio Network AND Black Pixel …

Re: John Gruber takes 'The Talk Show' to Mule Radio

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Post by Grillmarks »

evan_ wrote: post #15
cledet wrote: post #10

I think this caught Dan by surprised. Dan got the Talk Show shirts made up and he seem pretty excited when he announced them during the last two minutes of episode 90. Gruber didn't seem to care at all. I'm sure Mule offered Gruber a lot of money to bring the podcast to them. Got to support the family right?

Those shirts are now collector's items, probably.

Yeah, like Confederate currency.

Re: John Gruber takes 'The Talk Show' to Mule Radio

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Post by tjakab »

hej wrote: post #13
klausa wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dan was talking about iOS app for long, long time - it was (presumably) nearly finished, but never released - app that was released recently is new project/rewrite of the old one. Now we know what happened with that version.

I don’t understand what you mean. I’m even more confused now. How many different 5by5 apps are there?

There's only one. 5by5's app is for listening to live broadcasts of shows on their network.

Presumably, they were previously working with BlackPixel to do a podcasting app for the 5by5 shows, which was never released. The Mule Radio app appears to be a re-branded version of that unreleased app.

According to this tweet by Dan Benjamin about adding podcasting to the 5by5 app, he feels other apps already do it better. This may have been the reason why they scuttled their own podcasting app and went with a live broadcast app instead:

https://twitter.com/#!/danbenjamin/status/203466535107440640

Re: John Gruber takes 'The Talk Show' to Mule Radio

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Post by bjplink »

neave wrote: post #16
cledet wrote: post #10

I think this caught Dan by surprised. Dan got the Talk Show shirts made up and he seem pretty excited when he announced them during the last two minutes of episode 90. Gruber didn't seem to care at all. I'm sure Mule offered Gruber a lot of money to bring the podcast to them. Got to support the family right?

John seemed really pissed off during the last 2 mins on episode 90. Seems like that t-shirt announcement was the final straw. It's a shame. Dan gives John structure. On the new Talk Show John's rambling all over the place. Sad.

Here are the last ten seconds in the history of The Talk Show on 5by5:

Benjamin: "We'll be back regular time next week, right?" Gruber: "I guess so." Benjamin: "Ok. Thanks John." Gruber: "Adios."

Re: John Gruber takes 'The Talk Show' to Mule Radio

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Post by chmars »

TwistedWeasel wrote: post #19

I'm pretty disappointed with this move. I was getting a little tired of the Talk Show on 5By5 but it was still enjoyable because Dan brought humor and structure to the show. I remember when Let's Make Mistakes split off and formed a new podcast network it felt odd to me at the time, like they used 5By5 to get some initial audience and then took them for themselves. For some reason it fit with the impression I get tha…

Speaking of 'asshole', name and logo of the Ass, ehmm, Mule Radio Network are certainly a match! ;)

Re: John Gruber takes 'The Talk Show' to Mule Radio

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Post by lukeman »

chmars wrote: post #21
lukeman wrote: post #3

So Mule now has The Talk Show and its new iOS app is really a reskinned 5by5 app that never was released (check inside the app bundle and you'll see the class prefix is FBF and the 5by5 logo is even in there—presumably unused). Nerd drama. edit: here's a screengrab of the Mule Radio app bundle if you're curious: http://cl.ly/1E240C0C272c2R3L2N19

It would be interesting to know who paid how much of the app development. I hope Dan Benjamin did not get screwed by Gruber, the Mule Radio Network AND Black Pixel …

No need to speculate in that direction. These are big companies and smart people—I'm sure they came to an agreement. I just found the whole thing odd.

Re: John Gruber takes 'The Talk Show' to Mule Radio

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Post by klausa »

hej wrote: post #13
klausa wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dan was talking about iOS app for long, long time - it was (presumably) nearly finished, but never released - app that was released recently is new project/rewrite of the old one. Now we know what happened with that version.

I don’t understand what you mean. I’m even more confused now. How many different 5by5 apps are there?

Note: I listen to Talk Show only occasionally, I'm more of Hypercritical guy.

So, Dan wanted an iOS app for some time now (year? more?) - and he was working with Black Pixel (http://blackpixel.com) on that.

We don't know exactly why, but that app was never released - Dan stopped talking about it (I'm not actually sure about this, somebody please correct me if I'm wrong.). Recently, he (again, not sure) wrote new app - that's what's on App Store as 5by5 app.

Parts of "old" app were apparently reused by Black Pixel while working on Mule Radio app (also by Black Pixel.).

Re: John Gruber takes 'The Talk Show' to Mule Radio

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Post by edbloom »

damn - that's a real shame. Listening to John and Dan shoot the breeze on any range of topics is/was one of the highlights of the week (podcast highlights anyway!). I'm assuming this wasn't a clean split given it was unannounced and given the T-Shirts which were printed for WWDC as announced on TTS90. I understand Dan and John have been good friends for a long time - hope this doesn't kill their friendship.

Re: John Gruber takes 'The Talk Show' to Mule Radio

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Post by TwistedWeasel »

chucknelson wrote: post #20

This is sad news. Dan was the one who balanced Gruber's cockiness. Oh well, though, 5by5 will be fine with its other good shows. Oh John Siracusa, please don't leave!

Hypercritical is by far my favorite podcast, it took the top spot on my playlists from the Talk Show a long time ago. I get the impression Siracusa does that podcast for fun, not profit and would never ditch Dan like Gruber has.
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