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Keeping your data from Apple is harder than expected

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Re: Keeping your data from Apple is harder than expected

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Try and have little snitch running without the default suggestion to whitelist Apple services. It's mind-blowing.

If I remember correctly, segregating Apple devices from other devices via subnetting or otherwise causes them to incessantly ping Apple servers and cause issues on network/device.

Re: Keeping your data from Apple is harder than expected

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Sorry, but that's a fallacy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tu_quoque

That article explains what it is, but doesn't explain why it is wrong. If you're arguing for more privacy but you're participating in removing privacy, why isn't that hypocritical and makes the argument for privacy weaker from that person? I agree that it's off-topic to the discussion as a whole, for this particular submission, as it doesn't argue against the content of the article but rather talks about how the cont…

It does not make the argument weaker, that's the point. To think otherwise is a fallacy.

If someone writes that it is healthier to stop smoking, but then someone finds out that the author is a heavy smoker, does that make smoking somehow ok?

Re: Keeping your data from Apple is harder than expected

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I go through this annoying oscillating struggle every time I read news like this:

1. Realise the Apple hard- and software I'm using sucks privacy wise

2. Compare open source alternatives, maybe switch (I have an iPhone and a Fairphone 4 with /e/OS, also a MacBook and a homebrew Linux PC) with a file- and photo export through my NAS.

3. Use the FOSS ecosystem for a bit, be annoyed at some jank, slowly realise that while unquestionably better privacy wise, it's not necessarily better security wise.

4. Miss real life document management (I scan files, apply OCR). MacOS/Spotlight makes it possible to treat my collection as a database rather than a file cabinet that way, Continuity makes it easy to scan.

5. Switch back, rinse and repeat.

I'm driving myself insane. It's always either feeling great about my privacy and sacrifice convenience (I mean, FOSS can probably host that same workflow, it's just that it's a lot more work up front and I'm the one responsible if it breaks) or feeling great about how my stuff works but feeling creeped out about being spied on.

Re: Keeping your data from Apple is harder than expected

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it seems Apple's hardware revenue have started to plateau, and their services revenue is in jeopardy with the new EU changes to the App Store it wouldn't surprise me if Apple started ramping up their data revenue in the near future to compensate

> and their services revenue is in jeopardy with the new EU changes to the App Store the services revenue is at an all time high and keeps climbing: https://www.statista.com/chart/amp/14629/apple-services-reve... re. app store, the EU market represents just 7% of their worldwide app store revenues, most probably due to the fact the EU market is 65% android: https://techcrunch.com/2024/02/01/apple-says-eu-represents-7…

I was considering less how their revenue is now and more how it will be when the EU regulations hit and they lose the guaranteed 30/15% cut on all iOS apps

I know the US govt is hitting them with a similar anti-trust lawsuit, so it might happen over there too

If Apple lose their walled garden, and the 30/15% cut with it, both in EU and US, I think that could be a massive problem for them

Whether or not that will actually happen, or if Apple will find a way to compensate for the lost revenue, I don't know. I wouldn't be surprised if it was causing big discussions inside the company though, and I wouldn't be surprised if people become more bearish on Apple until they show they've found a solution

Re: Keeping your data from Apple is harder than expected

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I know it's crazy but I trust Apple a lot more than I would Google or Meta when it comes to my data.

Snowden revealed the PRISM program which shows that the US government works with Apple, Google, Facebook, Microsoft etc to surveil the public.

No, the PRISM program shows they surveil specific foreigners living outside the US with a court order.

Re: Keeping your data from Apple is harder than expected

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To you they are irrelevant ads you never click. To millions of small business they are the only viable way to reach their customers. As tech focussed people we often ignore this or play it down. Facebook (as it’s the most used example) being blocked in a country or region (EU for example) would be devastating thousands/tens of thousands of businesses. The usual reply is “those businesses shouldn’t be so reliant Faceb…

It's going to sound harsh, but if a business is solely reliant on a single partner to not get fucked over, then that business has a far greater issue and it's failure will be entirely on them. Putting your eggs in one basket is never a good idea. That aside, in practice the main people who benefit from GAFAM ads are Alibaba/AliExpress dropship sellers in my experience. Just take a generic piece of product, slap your…

> but if a business is solely reliant on a single partner to not get fucked over, then that business has a far greater issue and it's failure will be entirely on them.

You're totally right but that's the reality for many small businesses. One big route to market props up the whole business.

> are Alibaba/AliExpress dropship sellers in my experience

Possibly making an unfair assumption but I suspect your experience is quite limited then. I know many very legit web first businesses with great products, developed in house or a proper license importers of great products who rely extensively on the GAFAM ad complex.

Re: Keeping your data from Apple is harder than expected

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I remain shocked anyone trusts Meta, Google, or Apple marketing on privacy. These companies are all fundamentally similar in that their proprietary software collects an insane amount of data that will end up in the hands of your enemies either by sale, court order, or security compromise. It is relatively easy to opt out of all of these companies and take some actual control over your privacy.

They are fundamentally different in that two of them derive revenue solely* from exploiting your data, and one of them doesn't. * by-and-large

The other one derives revenue from keeping users captive, so they can't turn off data collection even if they wanted to.

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Apple operating systems automatically apply patches to devices for critical security updates so long as those patches are signed by a cryptographic private key held by Apple. That is in fact an RCE system that already exists. There also exist humans that have access to those private keys, and those humans can be controlled by money, court orders, or violence. In China the CCP has control over the software signing key…

> In China the CCP has control over the software signing keys, so they can push any software to any apple device they like.

I've never heard about China having special iOS releases signed by different keys. Fairly sure all devices across the world get the same exact OS builds, but would be curious to read more about this if you have any sources?

Re: Keeping your data from Apple is harder than expected

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I remain shocked anyone trusts Meta, Google, or Apple marketing on privacy. These companies are all fundamentally similar in that their proprietary software collects an insane amount of data that will end up in the hands of your enemies either by sale, court order, or security compromise. It is relatively easy to opt out of all of these companies and take some actual control over your privacy.

What is the easiest way to get comparable smartphone experience with some actual control over your privacy?

Practically any Android phone from a reputable vendor. The default apps might share more data than you might like, but it does give you actual control to turn that off. You don't have to send your location to anybody any time an app requests it like iPhones send your location to Apple. You don't have to tell anyone you installed an app like iPhones tell Apple.

Re: Keeping your data from Apple is harder than expected

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Snowden revealed the PRISM program which shows that the US government works with Apple, Google, Facebook, Microsoft etc to surveil the public.

No, the PRISM program shows they surveil specific foreigners living outside the US with a court order.

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