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Keeping your data from Apple is harder than expected

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Re: Keeping your data from Apple is harder than expected

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Post by Synaesthesia »

hk1337 wrote: post #180
lrvick wrote: post #50

I remain shocked anyone trusts Meta, Google, or Apple marketing on privacy. These companies are all fundamentally similar in that their proprietary software collects an insane amount of data that will end up in the hands of your enemies either by sale, court order, or security compromise. It is relatively easy to opt out of all of these companies and take some actual control over your privacy.

I know it's crazy but I trust Apple a lot more than I would Google or Meta when it comes to my data.

Snowden revealed the PRISM program which shows that the US government works with Apple, Google, Facebook, Microsoft etc to surveil the public.

Re: Keeping your data from Apple is harder than expected

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Post by diggan »

lancesells wrote: post #164
jSully24 wrote: post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Car Play will not enable with Siri turned off (at least in my 2019 Subaru).

Same here. I do think it makes some sense in that case.

I'm also in the situation where I use Siri for nothing, but I want to use CarPlay. I don't use the voice control for anything, in the car or otherwise. How does it make sense to force me to have Siri enabled?

Re: Keeping your data from Apple is harder than expected

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Post by diggan »

amelius wrote: post #185
rcarmo wrote: post #76

For privacy-conscious people, the authors certainly picked an outlet with plenty of cookies and trackers - this is what the popup shows me when I pick "customise": 17 necessary cookies 7 functional 34 statistics 49 marketing 10 unclassified This kind of thing makes the article seem... ridiculous, really. Their site is much worse at privacy than Apple.

Sorry, but that's a fallacy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tu_quoque

That article explains what it is, but doesn't explain why it is wrong.

If you're arguing for more privacy but you're participating in removing privacy, why isn't that hypocritical and makes the argument for privacy weaker from that person?

I agree that it's off-topic to the discussion as a whole, for this particular submission, as it doesn't argue against the content of the article but rather talks about how the content is hosted.

Re: Keeping your data from Apple is harder than expected

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Post by hk1337 »

Synaesthesia wrote: post #191
hk1337 wrote: post #180

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know it's crazy but I trust Apple a lot more than I would Google or Meta when it comes to my data.

Snowden revealed the PRISM program which shows that the US government works with Apple, Google, Facebook, Microsoft etc to surveil the public.

Yeah, I don't fully trust Apple, just more than Google and Meta. I would expect the government can get information from just about any company if they really want it.

Re: Keeping your data from Apple is harder than expected

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Post by flemhans »

poochkoishi728 wrote: post #52

Always wanted the option to disable network access for an app. The lack of this made me suspect that Apple had too much to lose (in harvesting data) to allow this.

Little Snitch is the best I found although not perfect. (Apps can trivially bypass filtering)

Re: Keeping your data from Apple is harder than expected

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Post by noirscape »

simonbarker87 wrote: post #69
Traubenfuchs wrote: post #7

Is the whole point of all this data collection nonsense really just to serve me irrelevant ads I never click? What are they doing with all this worthless information? I downloaded a shitty freemium mobile game once and now 80% of my Instagram ads have been ads for shitty mobile games for more than a year. Is this really the best the 500k+ a year ad magicians at Meta came up with? Is this what gives Meta its trillion…

To you they are irrelevant ads you never click. To millions of small business they are the only viable way to reach their customers. As tech focussed people we often ignore this or play it down. Facebook (as it’s the most used example) being blocked in a country or region (EU for example) would be devastating thousands/tens of thousands of businesses. The usual reply is “those businesses shouldn’t be so reliant Faceb…

It's going to sound harsh, but if a business is solely reliant on a single partner to not get fucked over, then that business has a far greater issue and it's failure will be entirely on them.

Putting your eggs in one basket is never a good idea.

That aside, in practice the main people who benefit from GAFAM ads are Alibaba/AliExpress dropship sellers in my experience. Just take a generic piece of product, slap your own label on it and that's a new listing. Had to buy a PC keyboard recently and the search results are just littered with that crap. I don't think you'll find many people shed tears for that crap going bankrupt, it just clogs out actual legit small businesses.

Re: Keeping your data from Apple is harder than expected

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Post by r3d0c »

fkyoureadthedoc wrote: post #175
walterbell wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Excellent. Then Apple can provide one-click, one-time opt out for all apps, instead of consuming CPU cycles, battery life and hundreds of avoidable and unwanted user actions over the lifetime of a phone. > It never gets sent to Apple and no other application can read it. Malware can read it. See the list of Apple iOS Security Updates. If Apple doesn't receive the data and the user doesn't want the data, let's avoid c…

Then malware can just turn it back on and then read it? You really don't want the malware to begin with I'm thinking.

that's like saying cars shouldn't have seatbelts, they should be designed to not be in accidents in the first place

Re: Keeping your data from Apple is harder than expected

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Post by izacus »

zakki wrote: post #24
walterbell wrote: post #9

Apple should provide an option to opt-out of Siri "learn from app" for ALL applications. At present, this must be done individually for every app, https://www.imore.com/how-stop-siri-learning-how-you-use-app... . When you later install new apps after setting up the device, you have to remember to go into Settings and opt-out again, for every app, forever. How many people know that iOS devices will default to Siri rea…

The best solution is to set this as opt-in instead.

Opt-in patterns are only for 3rd party apps, not for Apple themselves. One rules for me, others for thee.

Re: Keeping your data from Apple is harder than expected

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Post by jjulius »

lrvick wrote: post #101
jzzskijj wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is the easiest way to get comparable smartphone experience with some actual control over your privacy?

There is no comparable option. I have not carried a phone in 3+ years. In spite of what some would have you believe, it is actually relatively easy to live an active and socially engaged life in the modern world without a phone. Major mental health wins from being offline when you are away from your desk too.

>In spite of what some would have you believe, it is actually relatively easy to live an active and socially engaged life in the modern world without a phone.

Right? This is completely anecdotal, but I've occasionally seen people lament, "You have to bank, as well as manage health and travel stuff on your phone". My follow up is always, "What can I do with those apps on my phone that I can't do via a laptop or desktop?" I am typically met with silence.

Seriously - beyond SMS 2FA, there's nothing I can do on my phone that I can't do on my desktop, and I sure as hell don't need to have constant access to all of that when I'm out and about.

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