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Re: Keeping your data from Apple is harder than expected

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Post by diggan »

klausa wrote: post #10
walterbell wrote: post #9

Apple should provide an option to opt-out of Siri "learn from app" for ALL applications. At present, this must be done individually for every app, https://www.imore.com/how-stop-siri-learning-how-you-use-app... . When you later install new apps after setting up the device, you have to remember to go into Settings and opt-out again, for every app, forever. How many people know that iOS devices will default to Siri rea…

You can just disable Siri if you're that concerned? Edit: Turns out — you can't! See the reply below.

> You can just disable Siri if you're that concerned?

Apple fights you from disabling Siri as much as they can. I've tried to disable Siri multiple times, but it turns off other unrelated features/services, so it's basically impossible.

For example, if you're using CarPlay, it's required that Siri is enabled, even if you don't use the voice controls.

Re: Keeping your data from Apple is harder than expected

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Post by switch007 »

geokon wrote: post #92
poochkoishi728 wrote: post #52

Always wanted the option to disable network access for an app. The lack of this made me suspect that Apple had too much to lose (in harvesting data) to allow this.

Android has this in the app manifest, but of course Google doesn't expose this to users Are they're any ROMs that do?

GrapheneOS does

Every app you install with Play Store pops up and asks if you want to grant it networking. It's cool

Re: Keeping your data from Apple is harder than expected

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Post by nicce »

lrvick wrote: post #95
threeseed wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Apple operating systems automatically apply patches to devices for critical security updates so long as those patches are signed by a cryptographic private key held by Apple. That is in fact an RCE system that already exists. There also exist humans that have access to those private keys, and those humans can be controlled by money, court orders, or violence. In China the CCP has control over the software signing key…

You cannot really use that as argument. Everyone does that so it does not make Apple ”worse”.

Same applies almost every Linux distribution since their builds are not reproducible.

It is just a matter of who you want to trust. Eventually you need to trust someone.

Re: Keeping your data from Apple is harder than expected

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Post by bell-cot »

n4r9 wrote: post #3
bell-cot wrote: post #2

> ‘Privacy. That's Apple,’ the slogan proclaims. New research from Aalto University begs to differ. > The researchers studied eight apps: Safari, Siri, Family Sharing, iMessage, FaceTime, Location Services, Find My and Touch ID. They collected all publicly available privacy-related information on these apps... > The fragility of the privacy protections surprised even the researchers. Reaction: Either their "surprise"…

That's overly harsh, and a disingenuous analogy to draw.

(Guessing that you are not referring to my 'Either their "surprise" was purely theatrical (or journalistic gloss)' phrase.)

Do you view "university researcher" as pretty-prestigious & cool social status tier - which is provided "because they deserve it", for people who spend years grinding their way up an academic XP ladder?

Or do you see "university researcher" as expense which the public pays, because it expects considerable public benefit from the supposedly-highly-skilled work which the researcher does?

Complex dark patterns, default-to-share, users who just keep clinking Yes, and relentless monetization of user information have been routine & well-known things for quite a few years now.

Re: Keeping your data from Apple is harder than expected

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Post by Am4TIfIsER0ppos »

wkat4242 wrote: post #53
Am4TIfIsER0ppos wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't purchase the surveillance device.

And get locked out of 80% of modern life :(

That is the government's aim yes. They want you to carry a spy device so they will encourage any carrot or stick. Carrots being "look at this shiny thing" or have some dopamine". Sticks being no parking, no banking, no menus, and more.

Re: Keeping your data from Apple is harder than expected

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Post by nehal3m »

lrvick wrote: post #125
wkat4242 wrote: post #84

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Hmm here in Spain it's more difficult. Nobody uses SMS here (nor iMessage), it's all WhatsApp and Telegram. And most banks do force an app here (for 2FA payments for example). Tickets can go on paper yeah, though some restaurants I visit don't do paper menus (especially the asian ones). Also some stuff for work is mobile-only. We have a stupid 2FA system that only works with a mobile app (the company gives us a phone…

> Whatsapp/iMessage Both can be bridged to Matrix, which can be accessed with any OS you like with FOSS software. > Tickets can go on paper yeah, though some restaurants I visit don't do paper menus (especially the asian ones). Many have said this to me initially, until I insist I do not own a cell phone. Then they always find a way to produce a tablet for me, or hastily print a screenshot from a phone, or find an ol…

>Both can be bridged to Matrix, which can be accessed with any OS you like with FOSS software.

I do this. It's great for protecting your location data and select meta-data, but the contents of your conversation are just as vulnerable as ever because the other party might still be using native apps.

Re: Keeping your data from Apple is harder than expected

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Post by sensanaty »

traceroute66 wrote: post #88

"Lindqvist can’t comment directly on how Google's Android works in similar respects" Of course he can't, because its easier to jump on the Apple bashing bandwagon. I suspect if you did a side-by-side comparison, we all know where Android would fall on the privacy spectrum. Give me Apple over Google any day of the week. I expected better from Lindqvist than take part in a biased article like that.

Or how about we stop excusing megacorps altogether and stomp them both down? This isn't a football team type of competition, its 2 megacorporations that don't give a shit about you and they both deserve to be strangled into submission so that their whole business model doesn't hinge on mass surveillance.

Re: Keeping your data from Apple is harder than expected

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Post by krapp »

rcarmo wrote: post #146
krapp wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the criticism you should have posted originally, instead of considering the article ridiculous because it was hosted on a site that used cookies.

All sites use cookies. Not all of them use an entire bakery's worth.

And yet that isn't at all relevant to the content of the article, and pointing it out isn't a valid criticism of the article.

Re: Keeping your data from Apple is harder than expected

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Post by jSully24 »

throw0101c wrote: post #82
everdrive wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It would be much better if I could just uninstall Siri. I don't want a voice assistant, and never have.

> It would be much better if I could just uninstall Siri. I don't want a voice assistant, and never have. I just don't turn it on and so never use it.

Car Play will not enable with Siri turned off (at least in my 2019 Subaru).

Re: Keeping your data from Apple is harder than expected

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Post by herpdyderp »

traceroute66 wrote: post #81
walterbell wrote: post #9

Apple should provide an option to opt-out of Siri "learn from app" for ALL applications. At present, this must be done individually for every app, https://www.imore.com/how-stop-siri-learning-how-you-use-app... . When you later install new apps after setting up the device, you have to remember to go into Settings and opt-out again, for every app, forever. How many people know that iOS devices will default to Siri rea…

> Apple should provide an option to opt-out of Siri "learn from app" for ALL applications. You can. Use the free Apple Configurator tool to generate a profile that has: - "Allow Siri" unchecked - "Allow Siri Suggestions" unchecked Apple Configuratior is great. You can disable all sorts of things, e.g. iCloud access. If your iPhone is on $org MDM, you can do the same on MDM.

The Apple Configurator is only allowed for a Managed Apple ID.
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