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Keeping your data from Apple is harder than expected

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Re: Keeping your data from Apple is harder than expected

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For privacy-conscious people, the authors certainly picked an outlet with plenty of cookies and trackers - this is what the popup shows me when I pick "customise": 17 necessary cookies 7 functional 34 statistics 49 marketing 10 unclassified This kind of thing makes the article seem... ridiculous, really. Their site is much worse at privacy than Apple.

Come on, no one is running all their private data through the website. But I do agree that the web should not be browsed without ublock as is at the moment - there's something fundamentally wrong with the current approach

Re: Keeping your data from Apple is harder than expected

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post #98
post #76

For privacy-conscious people, the authors certainly picked an outlet with plenty of cookies and trackers - this is what the popup shows me when I pick "customise": 17 necessary cookies 7 functional 34 statistics 49 marketing 10 unclassified This kind of thing makes the article seem... ridiculous, really. Their site is much worse at privacy than Apple.

The point is that there are so many commentators who assert that Apple is great on privacy issues, so that many people (including me) automatically believed that buying (expensive) Apple products will automatically lead to improved privacy vs other vendors. This post is calling that BS. Attacking the article/website for have cookies, is a distraction from the actual point. And anyway if you want to see tracking cooki…

> Apple products will automatically lead to improved privacy vs other vendors. This post is calling that BS.

Where does it do that? It explicitly doesn’t compare Apple’s products with other products:

“Lindqvist can’t comment directly on how Google's Android works in similar respects, as no one has yet done a similar mapping of its apps.”

Also, IMO the post is flame-bait in saying “Keeping your data from Apple is harder than expected”. AFAICT, the paper (https://acris.aalto.fi/ws/portalfiles/portal/141787684/Priva...) is not about Apple breaking privacy at all; it solely is about the difficulty of the UI for various privacy settings and of user understanding of what settings do.

They don’t claim, for example, that Apple makes these settings so convoluted to confuse or wear down users so that they close down less stuff (they may or may not, but the paper doesn’t discuss it)

Re: Keeping your data from Apple is harder than expected

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post #78

Is the whole point of all this data collection nonsense really just to serve me irrelevant ads I never click? What are they doing with all this worthless information? I downloaded a shitty freemium mobile game once and now 80% of my Instagram ads have been ads for shitty mobile games for more than a year. Is this really the best the 500k+ a year ad magicians at Meta came up with? Is this what gives Meta its trillion…

>I can't wrap my head around data collection. After Microsoft bought Skype, they changed it from p2p to centralized, so all calls were routed through NSA PRISM. This also had the result of making calls laggier and worse quality. I think there might be a bit of that sort of thing going on in other places too.

I just have to ask--what evidence do you have of that, and do you understand how SIP works?

Re: Keeping your data from Apple is harder than expected

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post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is just not true. I have not carried a phone or an Google/Apple controlled device in 3+ years and exclusively use FOSS on a personal basis. I live in Silicon Valley, run a b2b tech company, have a huge group of local friends, and have never been excluded from anything I wanted in my life for not having a phone. Paper menus are available if you ask, sms can be converted to VoIP, you do not need Genie Plus to navi…

Hmm here in Spain it's more difficult. Nobody uses SMS here (nor iMessage), it's all WhatsApp and Telegram. And most banks do force an app here (for 2FA payments for example). Tickets can go on paper yeah, though some restaurants I visit don't do paper menus (especially the asian ones). Also some stuff for work is mobile-only. We have a stupid 2FA system that only works with a mobile app (the company gives us a phone…

> Whatsapp/iMessage

Both can be bridged to Matrix, which can be accessed with any OS you like with FOSS software.

> Tickets can go on paper yeah, though some restaurants I visit don't do paper menus (especially the asian ones).

Many have said this to me initially, until I insist I do not own a cell phone. Then they always find a way to produce a tablet for me, or hastily print a screenshot from a phone, or find an old paper menu and cross out some old prices. When I go back to those restaurants later they sometimes have paper menus more readily available, because they were embarrassed the first time for being unable to accommodate a paying customer.

After all, even people who do have phones, end up with dead batteries. People with dead phone batteries need to eat too

> Also some stuff for work is mobile-only. We have a stupid 2FA system that only works with a mobile app (the company gives us a phone but it does mean being tracked), and the same with the desk booking (I absolutely hate the office since we implemented flexdesks).

Almost nothing is truly mobile only. You can run Android applications on QubesOS in a pinch, but more generally I find most 2FA apps actually use TOTP or FIDO under the hood, and can be replaced with open alternatives with a bit of research.

> and the same with the desk booking (I absolutely hate the office since we implemented flexdesks).

I have never seen one of these that does not have a webapp alternative. If they really don't have one, run their app in a VM and sniff the request traffic. Then you can make a simple shell script or webapp to book those desks for you. Open source it to annoy the company into producing their own. Done this sort of thing many times.

> Cash is still common here yeah though I don't like dealing with it. I wish there was a mobile payment method that didn't rely on Apple or Google.

In most countries instead of trying to flag down wait staff to take your card, then wait for them to come back, you can just drop cash on the table and leave at any time. I have not been to Spain specifically though.

Thing is, everything you buy with Google Apple Visa or Mastercard is logged. Everything you buy at the pharmacy is cross referenced from the cash register software and your credit card purchase then sold to insurance companies, etc etc.

Every time you use cash, you are making a small vote against those types of organizations having any more power over the public. Cash can be an annoyance, but it helps take power away from entities who will absolutely use your data to harm people for profit.

Re: Keeping your data from Apple is harder than expected

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post #76

For privacy-conscious people, the authors certainly picked an outlet with plenty of cookies and trackers - this is what the popup shows me when I pick "customise": 17 necessary cookies 7 functional 34 statistics 49 marketing 10 unclassified This kind of thing makes the article seem... ridiculous, really. Their site is much worse at privacy than Apple.

I feel like you might want to consider the scale of data collection involved here purely from the perspective of Apple being one of the largest companies in the world, and this being a medium-sized university in Finland.

Re: Keeping your data from Apple is harder than expected

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post #67

Apple should provide an option to opt-out of Siri "learn from app" for ALL applications. At present, this must be done individually for every app, https://www.imore.com/how-stop-siri-learning-how-you-use-app... . When you later install new apps after setting up the device, you have to remember to go into Settings and opt-out again, for every app, forever. How many people know that iOS devices will default to Siri rea…

>How many people know that iOS devices will default to Siri reading plaintext for all apps, including E2EE messengers? Is there more on what Siri "learn from app" actually does? Does it scrape entire screen contents? Or just metadata? Or only what the app developer decides to send?

Apple can change this silently in the future, as long as it remains compatible with their T&C.

Re: Keeping your data from Apple is harder than expected

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post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The best solution is to set this as opt-in instead.

I haven't setup an iPhone in a while, but last time I setup a Mac, it asked me to configure Siri or Skip/Later, etc. That's opt in to me.

From the article:

“The user is given the option to enable or not enable Siri, Apple's virtual assistant. But enabling only refers to whether you use Siri's voice control. Siri collects data in the background from other apps you use, regardless of your choice, unless you understand how to go into the settings and specifically change that”.

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