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Re: Physically healthy 28-year-old woman schedules euthanasia due to depression

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Post by david-gpu »

majikaja wrote: post #117
david-gpu wrote: post #63

How can she be "physically healthy" if she has depression? What is causing the depression, if not a malady of her physical body, such as her brain? It's an organ and it can be irreparably damaged, just like a kidney. "But what if she gets better?" , some say. What if she doesn't ? What if there is no cure in her case? You may have gotten over a case of depression yourself, just like some people have recovered from a…

>What if she doesn't? What if there is no cure in her case? Would you recommend death in all circumstances just in case?

> Would you recommend death in all circumstances just in case?

Would you like a side of straw man with your order of controversial topic?

Nobody is proposing euthanasia as a first line of treatment for anything, folks. It is a desperate measure for desperate times.

Re: Physically healthy 28-year-old woman schedules euthanasia due to depression

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Post by noname120 »

david-gpu wrote: post #120
noname120 wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is that related in any way to “leftovers” (whatever it's supposed to mean)? You're probably conflating it with the risk of serotonin toxicity when combined with SSRIs or without a proper washout period of 1-3 weeks depending on the SSRI. ———— Serotonin toxicity in the context of MAOIs is — just like the hyper[1] (and hypo!) tensive effects — a heavily exaggerated risk that we know how to avoid and manage thanks t…

> How is that related in any way to “leftovers” (whatever it's supposed to mean)? Leftovers, as in "food left over from a previous meal". Quote from the Wiki link provided earlier (first paragraph): > People taking MAOIs generally need to change their diets to limit or avoid foods and beverages containing tyramine, which is found in products such as cheese, soy sauce, and salami.[21] If large amounts of tyramine are…

It's a highly exaggerated risk and should in no way scare doctors into depriving patients from an effective and safe treatment. We are talking about an article with the title “physically healthy 28-year-old woman schedules euthanasia due to depression” here.

Re: Physically healthy 28-year-old woman schedules euthanasia due to depression

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Post by sfmz »

rschiavone wrote: post #39
iagooar wrote: post #5

I am terrified of the thought of legally killing people and this article has made me feel quite odd, even slightly sick I would say. My gut just screams at me: this is wrong. And I cannot help. The rational arguments do not convince me at all. Call me old fashioned or whatever but this is how I feel about it, and since there is an article about this I imagine that there might be certain interest in this being out of…

If a person has tried every other option and there is still no end to their pain, either physical or psychological, they would sooner or later try to end their life anyway. It is in the best interest of everybody to offer assisted suicide at a set time and date instead of taking the matter into their own hands and leaving family, friends and first responders with the trauma of discovering a body.

That's the atheist take. Anyone participating in this is committing a mortal sin which is not what you want right before Judgment. Religion aside, normalization of euthanasia leads to some horrible outcomes like offering euthansia as health care.

Re: Physically healthy 28-year-old woman schedules euthanasia due to depression

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Post by Arch-TK »

marginalia_nu wrote: post #73

The Cynic and Stoic schools of anqiue philosophy found freedom in choosing death. It's a big part of why so many big name romans fell on their swords on defeat, metaphorically or literally. Self-determination was seen as a bigger virtue than life, and e.g. Cato killing himself was regarded as a way to rob Julius Caesar of ultimate victory, turning him into a sort of martyr for the philosophy. I am willing to grant th…

I think de-stigmatizing suicide wouldn't exactly prevent slavery. The thing stopping slaves from killing themselves is probably not the social stigma surrounding suicide.

Re: Physically healthy 28-year-old woman schedules euthanasia due to depression

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Post by majikaja »

david-gpu wrote: post #121
majikaja wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>What if she doesn't? What if there is no cure in her case? Would you recommend death in all circumstances just in case?

> Would you recommend death in all circumstances just in case? Would you like a side of straw man with your order of controversial topic? Nobody is proposing euthanasia as a first line of treatment for anything, folks. It is a desperate measure for desperate times.

You let the mentally ill person be the judge of that?

Re: Physically healthy 28-year-old woman schedules euthanasia due to depression

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Post by majikaja »

Mashimo wrote: post #119
majikaja wrote: post #116

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https://www.statista.com/statistics/666480/any-mental-illnes...

I'm not sure what to do with this information. Did you post to the wrong person?

No I am saying lots of women seem to be struggling with something at any one time

Maybe one in five or ten are depressed

Re: Physically healthy 28-year-old woman schedules euthanasia due to depression

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Post by Jenk »

bheadmaster wrote: post #60
Jenk wrote: post #26

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"You're not allowed to rape" is a pretty strong example.

"You're not allowed" implies that someone else has the freedom to decide what is and is not allowed. All roads lead to freedom. There can be no tyranny without freedom to tyrannize - there's just no way around it.

It's not implying anything. It's explicitly telling "We as a society have decided for you"

This is literally what law is. A social construct to codify (and enable the enforcement of) what is deemed moral vs amoral.

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Post by arkey »

akie wrote: post #114
arkey wrote: post #104

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Also, I'd like to constructively challenge the idea of "enabling" something that someone is free to do. You're free to kill yourself, yes, nothing anyone can do about it. But is it good to help enabling it? If yes, then we should have places where one can go and absolutely get destroyed by meth or fentanyl or whatever's your choice. I'm afraid the only difference between both cases is the economic burden they cause o…

Why would you think it's preferable to withhold medical services from someone who explicitly requested it, is sound of mind, has unbearable suffering (again, confirmed by two independent doctors whose actions are from the outset considered a criminal offence unless proven otherwise), and where there is no long term improvement possible? Why do you want to withhold medical services in that situation? I read your argum…

Because "medical services" is an euphemism for killing, in this case.

You can read my other replies for more context, but what I see as a problem here is that all this will normalise death. By enabling it, we're one step closer of people resorting to this more easily, and having people that could recover just giving up early.

And yes, my stance is biased, I don't trust doctors that much.

Re: Physically healthy 28-year-old woman schedules euthanasia due to depression

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Post by david-gpu »

majikaja wrote: post #125
david-gpu wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Would you recommend death in all circumstances just in case? Would you like a side of straw man with your order of controversial topic? Nobody is proposing euthanasia as a first line of treatment for anything, folks. It is a desperate measure for desperate times.

You let the mentally ill person be the judge of that?

> You let the mentally ill person be the judge of that?

Another straw man. The patient is not the one that decides the first line of treatment, either. Nobody is walking for the first time into a clinic like it was a coffee shop and casually ordering one suicide to go.

I'm afraid you will have to excuse me now.

Re: Physically healthy 28-year-old woman schedules euthanasia due to depression

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Post by Mashimo »

majikaja wrote: post #126
Mashimo wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure what to do with this information. Did you post to the wrong person?

No I am saying lots of women seem to be struggling with something at any one time Maybe one in five or ten are depressed

Yes, and I would not consider people struggling with depression healthy.
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