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'Lavender': The AI machine directing Israel's bombing in Gaza

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Post by ernado »

cm2187 wrote: post #454
jhallenworld wrote: post #399

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I imagine you get to tune the probability window of "person is >90% likely a Hamas terrorist" and choose how many innocent people you kill. Who set the window? "Hamas terrorist" criteria: a male of fighting age, give higher weight to those congregating with others of fighting age. Basically take out a generation of Palestinian men and you're all set. Lovely. >This sentence is horrifically dystopian... "in order to sa…

A war that would only kill 10% civilians would be a massive improvement over any recent conflict.

Isn’t it close to Russian-Ukrainian war ratio?

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Post by edanm »

ahmadss wrote: post #441
verisimi wrote: post #390

In war, the first casualty is the truth. We have no idea whether this story itself is relaying anything of value. For all we know, stories like this could be a part of the war effort.

What does that even mean? 972 is a local Israeli outfit, with contributors from Israel and Palestine. They have sources within the IDF, sources who may be center-left leaning and are "done" with how the far-right coalition is running this war and they are blowing the whistle on this practice.

972 is very far left, at least compared to the standard Israeli position, I believe. I'm happy they're reporting, but they have a very obvious bias, and I'd take anything they say with a huge amount of caution.

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Post by Workaccount2 »

mupuff1234 wrote: post #474
rowanseymour wrote: post #34

As bad as this story makes the Israelis sound, it still reads like ass-covering to make it sound like they were at least trying to kill militants. It's been clear from the start that they've been targeting journalists, medical staff and anyone involved in aid distribution, with the goal of rendering life in Gaza impossible.

> It's been clear from the start that they've been targeting journalists, medical staff and anyone involved in aid distribution I really doubt that's the case, seems more like a "fire first if any suspicion at all and ask questions later" policy. If there was an intentional policy to kills journalists, aid workers and medical staff you'd see a lot more dead. And you have to be extremely naive or one sided to not real…

>And you have to be extremely naive or one sided to not realize that Hamas does use those type of roles as cover for their operations.

Why would Hamas use anything other than clearly uniformed soldiers, marked military vehicles, and civilian distanced military installations?

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Post by stefan_ »

KingMob wrote: post #319
yonisto wrote: post #307

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> What can one do when criminals have embedded them self in the civilian population? Why don't they get out and meet the police on the battle field? We wouldn't tolerate a SWAT team blowing up a hospital if the mafia had taken over the basement, I have no idea why you think this is acceptable. > It is much better than the carpet bombing used by other nations. It is exactly like the carpet bombing used by other nation…

Because this is war and not a SWAT police operation?

If soldiers in the field have reason to believe the enemy is in a building and call in air support to bomb it, no part of that is a war crime. Even if someone later goes and discovers the people in that building were actually preschoolers; what matters is what the people in the field making the decisions knew at that moment.

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Post by tmnvix »

FerretFred wrote: post #163

Next step is for similar AI systems to decide when to start a war, or not ...

Or to do away with the concept of starting and stopping wars altogether. Just constant AI based justifications for killing.

Wouldn't be surprised if this hasn't already been the case in Israel-Palestine already. AI targeting of Palestinians long before October 7th in other words.

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Post by ceejayoz »

arp242 wrote: post #469
ceejayoz wrote: post #18

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Shades of https://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/29/world/obamas-leadership-i... . > It is also because Mr. Obama embraced a disputed method for counting civilian casualties that did little to box him in. It in effect counts all military-age males in a strike zone as combatants, according to several administration officials, unless there is explicit intelligence posthumously proving them innocent. > Counterterrorism officia…

In the case of Al Qaeda, that might actually have been true? I don't think you can really compare Hamas to Al Qaeda; almost everything meaningful is different.

> In the case of Al Qaeda, that might actually have been true?

Very clearly not, as admitted by the man himself. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/obama-says-u-s-drone-stri...

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Post by edanm »

NickC25 wrote: post #388
HDThoreaun wrote: post #255

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It's been pretty clear to me for a while now that Israel's long term plan for the Palestinians is to expel them all. Starvation isnt a requirement for that, but it is probably the path of least resistance. I will say that its happening a lot faster than I expected though, Israel definitely taking advantage of the situation here.

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That... means the same thing.

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barbazoo wrote: post #171

Getting all these reports about atrocities, I wonder if the conflict in the area has grown more brutal over the decades or if this is just business as usual. I'm in my late 30s, growing up in the EU, the conflict in the region was always present. I don't remember hearing the kind of stories that come to light these days though, indiscriminate killings, food and water being targeted, aid workers being killed. I get th…

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