I should also add that the contract bidding for this project was a 'closed' one. So they are just transferring tax money into their friends' pockets.
Turkey kills school books, moves to tablet in all schools
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Re: Turkey kills school books, moves to tablet in all schools
#32If M$ is involved, it can't be good.
These people have no morals. I remember reading some documents about how neighboring Bulgaria was talked into buying Vista+office licenses for EVERY computer in every high school. At the time, the average computer was probably a PIII if not even PII. Doesn't make sense does it? Well they still did it!
Re: Turkey kills school books, moves to tablet in all schools
#33As an Turkish citizen living in Turkey. this move is bold but too early move. Also it's nothing about killing books. It's just a AKP(the ruling party) pr move without any bases. We even lack the tech to run governmental sites in a stable and secure way. Forget about making this kind of technological movement worthy for the kids. These will be highly restricted tablets - even not working outside of classrooms -, and w…
Generally I agree that throwing hardware to schools does not solve anything. "We have a tendency to restrict any sites against Islamic creationism so most of any pro-evolution or even scientific evolution ones will be restricted" You have to back this claim. There were incidents where some blogs were blocked but that was because of a court order which was caused by an individual, not government. "This year AKP legisl…
> You have to back this claim. There were incidents where some blogs were blocked but that was because of a court order which was caused by an individual, not government.
Some parts of the claims can be backed. Just looking at the Internet connection of places which managed by the Ministry of Education can prove that the access WILL be limited.
For example, social networking sites (not just big players like Facebook and Twitter, small ones like FriendFeed as well), most of the blogs, YouTube (and many of its alternatives) CAN NOT be accessed in schools or any of the ministry buildings.
I know blocking social networks and sites like YouTube can be understood since they are distractions in school but the blogs which are blocked shows what they are trying to do. All blogs which has some kind of non-muslim information is blocked. Even my blog, a 17 year teenagers blog, is blocked in schools in Turkey. The reason for it, I believe, is the fact that I'm not Muslim and said so in an old video of mine, which is not removed.
Re: Turkey kills school books, moves to tablet in all schools
#34If M$ is involved, it can't be good. These people have no morals. I remember reading some documents about how neighboring Bulgaria was talked into buying Vista+office licenses for EVERY computer in every high school. At the time, the average computer was probably a PIII if not even PII. Doesn't make sense does it? Well they still did it!
Question: Who has better support for Turkish right now, MS or Linux?
Re: Turkey kills school books, moves to tablet in all schools
#35Where here does it say Turkey is "killing school books"? Even if they were replacing all schoolbooks with tablets, I find that idea kind of bad seeing as it makes it difficult to flip between exercises and the chapter or the index and the rest of the book (or other functionality that a textbook is supposed to support). Ebooks are fine for novels but I just can't use an endless scrolling touchscreen tome for learning…
I don't think they are going to just load the PDF files of current books to tablets and give the tablets.
They are saying that everything will be tablet optimized. Don't think your regular school books, thinks about something like, umm, Flipboard. With video and other content in it. All interactive.
I don't know how much they can achieve, but I'm really looking for it.
Re: Turkey kills school books, moves to tablet in all schools
#36Earlier quoted context omitted.
Generally I agree that throwing hardware to schools does not solve anything. "We have a tendency to restrict any sites against Islamic creationism so most of any pro-evolution or even scientific evolution ones will be restricted" You have to back this claim. There were incidents where some blogs were blocked but that was because of a court order which was caused by an individual, not government. "This year AKP legisl…
> You have to back this claim. There were incidents where some blogs were blocked but that was because of a court order which was caused by an individual, not government. Some parts of the claims can be backed. Just looking at the Internet connection of places which managed by the Ministry of Education can prove that the access WILL be limited. For example, social networking sites (not just big players like Facebook…
Problem is those sites would be blocked because they are considered as distractions (and yes they are) not because they include evlutionary or non-mulim content.
What is the site you are talking about? There should be a specific court order for that. I dont think anyone cares if a teenager is a muslim or not.
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#37Earlier quoted context omitted.
> You have to back this claim. There were incidents where some blogs were blocked but that was because of a court order which was caused by an individual, not government. Some parts of the claims can be backed. Just looking at the Internet connection of places which managed by the Ministry of Education can prove that the access WILL be limited. For example, social networking sites (not just big players like Facebook…
Problem is those sites would be blocked because they are considered as distractions (and yes they are) not because they include evlutionary or non-mulim content. What is the site you are talking about? There should be a specific court order for that. I dont think anyone cares if a teenager is a muslim or not.
I'm not talking about blocking a website country-wide.
TTNET (biggest ISP in Turkey, founded and formerly owned by the government) gives you username for your DSL line, its usually something like phonenumber@ttnet (or yourname@ttnet1). If your username is like that, you connect with TTNET's DNS servers and your only limit is the sites that are blocked by courts.
But, if you're a school, they'll give you* a username like "schoolname@meb", when you connect with this there is a special black list (which includes word filters too) that can't be passed with anything but proxies. And, BTW, "proxy" is a blocked word.
For example, you can't -even- search for "porn" on Google. I'm not saying you'll need to search for porn on Google in school, just explaining how this black list works.
* A friend of mine explained it to me like this, he was a computer teacher in a government school. Now the system may be changed, I don't have clue, but the block is still there today.
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#38Earlier quoted context omitted.
I believe, only a few of the kids will push whatever they have for better use. This may be my pessimism, but lack of DIY culture and abusing of technology tendency of Turkey population makes me think like this.
I can't say you're wrong. I only wonder what it would take to change that...
Better education.
Better funding for education and better life conditions for teachers. Putting science before religion. Going against memorization and teaching kids analytical thinking and social arts.
Of course academia is another place that must be revolutionized.
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#39Re: Turkey kills school books, moves to tablet in all schools
#40If M$ is involved, it can't be good. These people have no morals. I remember reading some documents about how neighboring Bulgaria was talked into buying Vista+office licenses for EVERY computer in every high school. At the time, the average computer was probably a PIII if not even PII. Doesn't make sense does it? Well they still did it!
Question: Who has better support for Turkish right now, MS or Linux?
I believe it is a draw.