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Turkey kills school books, moves to tablet in all schools

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Re: Turkey kills school books, moves to tablet in all schools

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As an Turkish citizen living in Turkey. this move is bold but too early move. Also it's nothing about killing books. It's just a AKP(the ruling party) pr move without any bases.

We even lack the tech to run governmental sites in a stable and secure way. Forget about making this kind of technological movement worthy for the kids.

These will be highly restricted tablets - even not working outside of classrooms -, and with highly censored Internet. We have a tendency to restrict any sites against Islamic creationism so most of any pro-evolution or even scientific evolution ones will be restricted. I believe they will put the kids on a "white-listed" restriction zone.

Other than these points, we lack a decent educational system. Every government has been trying to circumvent the system according to their views and change curriculum, exam and admission ways annually. And there are too many children lacking the basic thinking and reading abilities. So these tablets won't make any good to them.

-- loosely related political point of view start --

Even governments have been circumventing how long and "how" the education system is. This year AKP legislated an education system of 4+4+4 which means, well I have no fucking idea! But as much as I've heard it would make possible 4 year old kids to be admitted for elementary school which will have "optional" Quran and "Prophet Muhammad" lessons and women to be continue education without attending the last 4 years.

-- loosely related political point of view end --

In the light of these information, I again don't believe this bold move means anything for the children. It's just a pr and social engineering move.

Re: Turkey kills school books, moves to tablet in all schools

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This is such an amazing move. It's going to put access to information into the hands of millions of children. It is a revolution in the making.

They said the same about the internet but most kids just play games or go on Facebook :-)

I read a recent study by teachers using iPads in the classroom - they said that they didn't help learning as the children just played games or messed around with them instead.

Re: Turkey kills school books, moves to tablet in all schools

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I completely buy the idea that there's potential for new learning tools in tablets (or any computing device over books) but has anyone actually done it? Has anyone moved from potential and successfully effected this? At the very least tell me you're going to makes copies of lectures and video examples of everything available.

Changing from paper to electronic still images is kinda "meh".

Re: Turkey kills school books, moves to tablet in all schools

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This is such an amazing move. It's going to put access to information into the hands of millions of children. It is a revolution in the making.

They said the same about the internet but most kids just play games or go on Facebook :-) I read a recent study by teachers using iPads in the classroom - they said that they didn't help learning as the children just played games or messed around with them instead.

Which is not really a problem with iPads, nor with kids - it's a problem with education.

Re: Turkey kills school books, moves to tablet in all schools

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

They said the same about the internet but most kids just play games or go on Facebook :-) I read a recent study by teachers using iPads in the classroom - they said that they didn't help learning as the children just played games or messed around with them instead.

Which is not really a problem with iPads, nor with kids - it's a problem with education.

100% agree. I'm just sick of schools spending £1000s on plasma TVs, etc, and then not having enough left in the budget for textbooks (true story).

Re: Turkey kills school books, moves to tablet in all schools

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post #11

As an Turkish citizen living in Turkey. this move is bold but too early move. Also it's nothing about killing books. It's just a AKP(the ruling party) pr move without any bases. We even lack the tech to run governmental sites in a stable and secure way. Forget about making this kind of technological movement worthy for the kids. These will be highly restricted tablets - even not working outside of classrooms -, and w…

As an American citizen living in Turkey, I agree that this effort is a bit cart-before-the-horse. That said, I think that Turkey is in an interesting place right now. Maybe the way they are introducing technology into the classroom is wrong, but at least they are interested in using technology in the classroom. Meanwhile, the US is arguing over the best way to use statistics to decide which teachers to fire.

It seems that this same story is playing itself out in a number of areas. Turkey "gets it" in terms of science and technology investments, it just doesn't seem to know the best way to go about making those investments. Personally, I prefer this situation to the alternative: knowing exactly how and what to do, but not even bothering to keep a manned spaceflight capability or high-energy particle physics research facility funded.

As for what Turkey can do to get on the right track, I think the first thing that needs to happen is the expansion of homegrown technologies. It seems every user group or startup weekend type event I've seen advertised is almost exclusively sponsored and/or run by Microsoft. Turkey would do well to look at a country like Brazil that, while it suffered being behind the times for a while, is now a strong player in the technology sector because it focused on homegrown tech.

Re: Turkey kills school books, moves to tablet in all schools

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post #11

As an Turkish citizen living in Turkey. this move is bold but too early move. Also it's nothing about killing books. It's just a AKP(the ruling party) pr move without any bases. We even lack the tech to run governmental sites in a stable and secure way. Forget about making this kind of technological movement worthy for the kids. These will be highly restricted tablets - even not working outside of classrooms -, and w…

As an American citizen living in Turkey, I agree that this effort is a bit cart-before-the-horse. That said, I think that Turkey is in an interesting place right now. Maybe the way they are introducing technology into the classroom is wrong, but at least they are interested in using technology in the classroom. Meanwhile, the US is arguing over the best way to use statistics to decide which teachers to fire. It seems…

The ones that are advertised are from Microsoft. Because they have the money. I'm a - past time active - Turkey LUG/LUF (Linux User Foundation) member and we still continuously do events but lack the funding for advertisement.

On the topic, In my point of view, these moves are just wasting government funding, even a corruption possibility. If you know about Deniz Feneri Lawsuit you can understand my doubts.

Without deep understanding of the upcoming results and project targets, these projects are only time and resource wasting. Also giving false hopes to parents about our education systems quality.

Re: Turkey kills school books, moves to tablet in all schools

#18

This is such an amazing move. It's going to put access to information into the hands of millions of children. It is a revolution in the making.

They said the same about the internet but most kids just play games or go on Facebook :-) I read a recent study by teachers using iPads in the classroom - they said that they didn't help learning as the children just played games or messed around with them instead.

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Re: Turkey kills school books, moves to tablet in all schools

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

They said the same about the internet but most kids just play games or go on Facebook :-) I read a recent study by teachers using iPads in the classroom - they said that they didn't help learning as the children just played games or messed around with them instead.

Which is not really a problem with iPads, nor with kids - it's a problem with education.

Exactly. During traditional class, as I recall, your options are roughly these: 1) mess around with something, 2) study or make it look like that.

In terms of temporal motivation theory, the utility of messing around is much higher than the utility of boring study. Two ways to fix this—either lower the utility of messing around, or raise the utility of actual learning.

A punishment by teacher (with high enough expectancy) for messing around with classmates or cellphone does the first. Obviously, a book is too boring—but replace it with an iPad and children can now play games while no one notices[0], which makes the utility of messing around go up again.

Another, arguably better way would be raising the utility of actual learning relative to messing around with stuff. In other words, make so that children would like to do it themselves—through some psychological reward (valuable and close enough temporarily), or by making it an enjoyable process (i.e., immediate reward). It means fixing the system though.

[0] Like many of us, in regular day job environments, can (and do) procrastinate with the help of our fancy devices.

Re: Turkey kills school books, moves to tablet in all schools

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post #11

As an Turkish citizen living in Turkey. this move is bold but too early move. Also it's nothing about killing books. It's just a AKP(the ruling party) pr move without any bases. We even lack the tech to run governmental sites in a stable and secure way. Forget about making this kind of technological movement worthy for the kids. These will be highly restricted tablets - even not working outside of classrooms -, and w…

As an American citizen living in Turkey, I agree that this effort is a bit cart-before-the-horse. That said, I think that Turkey is in an interesting place right now. Maybe the way they are introducing technology into the classroom is wrong, but at least they are interested in using technology in the classroom. Meanwhile, the US is arguing over the best way to use statistics to decide which teachers to fire. It seems…

> but at least they are interested in using technology in the classroom

I don't get you. How does being interested in using technology in the classroom align with buying a load of tablets?

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