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Re: Tesla releases Q1 2024 deliveries: disastrous results

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Post by cqqxo4zV46cp » Tue, Apr 02, 2024, 3:28 PM UTC

kylecordes wrote: post #52

"Disastrous" seems like a significant overstatement. To me this looks more like "unsurprising". Tesla has some additional business lines which might eventually prove quite valuable, but in the short to medium term it is mostly a car company. The whole car industry is dealing with the results of higher interest rates. It would be much more surprising if Tesla somehow turned out to be immune to that.

It was literally under target. That’s the definition of surprising.

It comes as no surprises that the rest of your comment either looks for positives or places the blame on conditions affecting the auto industry at large.

Can Tesla do no wrong?

Re: Tesla releases Q1 2024 deliveries: disastrous results

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Post by ein0p » Tue, Apr 02, 2024, 3:28 PM UTC

cqqxo4zV46cp wrote: post #121

ein0p wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Funny, I'm considering buying our second Tesla (to replace my BMW) because the company _is_ run by Musk. I'm also big fan of not dictating what other people should say, and find his direct communication style refreshing, even though I disagree with some of his opinions. And that's before we even bring up several other areas where he's successfully doing civilizationally impactful work.

All I’ll say is: don’t advertise your lust for a Muslkian “direct” communication style during job interviews. All I’m hearing is “terrible to work with”. I’m sure you’ll appreciate the direct nature in which I communicated this, even if you disagree with it.

I no longer do "job interviews". People ask me whether I'd like to come work for them. Sometimes, I go and work for them.

Your communication style is not direct enough for me I'm afraid, clearly you feel quite a bit more passionate about this than you let on. People must say what you permit, and never stray from the approved narratives, or else. Be careful to not mention that in job interviews.

Re: Tesla releases Q1 2024 deliveries: disastrous results

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Post by coldpie » Tue, Apr 02, 2024, 3:28 PM UTC

smallmancontrov wrote: post #118

monitron wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yep. I am a current Tesla Model 3 owner, really like my car, but plan to switch to another brand after running this one into the ground. Elon's behavior is awful and dangerous given his fame/money, and luckily, unlike in 2017, there are now other good EV options which are getting better all the time.

How is the charging situation? I remember that everyone announced NACS and compatibility with the Tesla network a while ago, has that happened or is it still just promises?

Technically still just promises, but the timelines are all in the 1-3 year range, which seems about right for a manufacturing and support line change. I think Hyundai/Kia plan to start shipping native NACS cars this year.

Re: Tesla releases Q1 2024 deliveries: disastrous results

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Post by cma » Tue, Apr 02, 2024, 3:30 PM UTC

leetharris wrote: post #112

ayan wrote: post #6

i hope elon's behavior is part of the drop in demand. i'm afraid it is mostly economic though.

It seems to me this is heavily related to Elon being a vocal Republican. I wonder if people would care as much if he was a quiet Republican?

Promoting great replacement theory is very different than vocal Republican. He only said the Republican persecution thing after he was informed the horse for handjob scandal was going to be reported: they emailed him for comment and he immediately made the post.

Re: Tesla releases Q1 2024 deliveries: disastrous results

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Post by lttlrck » Tue, Apr 02, 2024, 3:30 PM UTC

leetharris wrote: post #99

coldpie wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah. Ten years ago it was the cool, new brand. Now it's what you buy when you want to rep an insane drug addict transphobe's fall from grace. I'm looking to buy a Hyundai later this year.

> Now it's what you buy when you want to rep an insane drug addict transphobe's fall from grace. Drug addict? You mean his ketamine for depression? And when you buy a car are you "representing" the CEO's views? What are the CEO of Hyundai's personal beliefs? Do you even know?

> Do you even know?

I think that's the point?

Re: Tesla releases Q1 2024 deliveries: disastrous results

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Post by misiti3780 » Tue, Apr 02, 2024, 3:30 PM UTC

mplanchard wrote: post #76

ayan wrote: post #6

i hope elon's behavior is part of the drop in demand. i'm afraid it is mostly economic though.

Anecdotal, but this is absolutely the case for me. The widely reported fit-and-finish issues would have made me hesitant regardless, but as long as it's Elon's company I will not be buying a Tesla regardless of improvements in quality. Bought a Prius plug-in hybrid instead (which I'm very happy with). Prior to Elon taking the mask off I was really excited about the idea of getting a Tesla, and I'm squarely in what I…

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Re: Tesla releases Q1 2024 deliveries: disastrous results

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Post by krunck » Tue, Apr 02, 2024, 3:30 PM UTC

ChumpGPT wrote: post #68

nixgeek wrote: post #42

Some friends bought a Model X about six months ago, spending over $100k — that’s down from the almost $150k that Tesla was demanding a couple years ago when we bought one (and both were fairly fully loaded). First, my experience 2 years ago was the A/C compressor was so loud that during summer with cooling running at maximum, you couldn’t hold a conversation in the cabin because of the noise. Tesla investigated and e…

You're not buying quality when you buy Tesla, you're buying fashion. if you want quality buy a Toyota/Lexus.

I can't wait until Toyota makes an all electric Yaris.

Re: Tesla releases Q1 2024 deliveries: disastrous results

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Post by ein0p » Tue, Apr 02, 2024, 3:31 PM UTC

rcMgD2BwE72F wrote: post #89

ein0p wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Funny, I'm considering buying our second Tesla (to replace my BMW) because the company _is_ run by Musk. I'm also big fan of not dictating what other people should say, and find his direct communication style refreshing, even though I disagree with some of his opinions. And that's before we even bring up several other areas where he's successfully doing civilizationally impactful work.

>even though I disagree with some of his opinions Let me guess, nothing that's part his core believes?

Yes, I do believe our species needs to be multiplanetary, internet should be available everywhere, electric cars need to take over, and paralyzed people should be able to walk again.

Re: Tesla releases Q1 2024 deliveries: disastrous results

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Post by AlexandrB » Tue, Apr 02, 2024, 3:31 PM UTC

afavour wrote: post #27

alkibiades wrote: post #17

top down government technology mandates never work. the early adopters and rich california folks all already have EVs. normal people don’t want them toyota was right and that’s why i got their hybrid vehicle instead of an EV

I’m a “normal person” and I’d love one. But they’re too expensive and the charging situation near me isn’t great.

When talking about market demand, the only thing that matters is how many people will actually spend money on the thing. Wanting something hypothetically if a bunch of additional conditions are met doesn't really help Tesla. Basically, Toyota was right.

Re: Tesla releases Q1 2024 deliveries: disastrous results

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Post by e36 » Tue, Apr 02, 2024, 3:31 PM UTC

smallmancontrov wrote: post #118

monitron wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yep. I am a current Tesla Model 3 owner, really like my car, but plan to switch to another brand after running this one into the ground. Elon's behavior is awful and dangerous given his fame/money, and luckily, unlike in 2017, there are now other good EV options which are getting better all the time.

How is the charging situation? I remember that everyone announced NACS and compatibility with the Tesla network a while ago, has that happened or is it still just promises?

It's in progress, I think. Ford and Rivian just gained access to the network about a month or so ago, and I think that other manufacturers will be added over the next year or two.