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Tesla releases Q1 2024 deliveries: disastrous results

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Re: Tesla releases Q1 2024 deliveries: disastrous results

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Could it be that Musk's inflammatory language and behaviors are a turn off for potential buyers? They are a turn off for me. I like the vehicles but I'd never get one.

It's such a shame that he's sullying his reputation like this. Howard Hughes-like.

He could have retired in a blaze of glory a couple of years ago, straight into the pantheon of epic American entrepreneurs.

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This may be related as well, in a smaller way: https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/would-...

I ask owners of other EV vehicles how they like their car, and >50% of my sample size of ~10 bring up "at least it's not owned by that crazy man" as a big reason as they explain the other deficiencies. (Mostly bad controls, UX, etc. stuff that the Tesla gets right.) I have a Tesla Model 3 right now and it's my favorite car ever, by far, but I also will be unlikely to buy another tesla. It's not the same company as si…

You have basically found the Reddit /r/technology contingency. Most stories I see there are laughing at a single man's failures. There's just a lot of hate. I wanted a Tesla because other friends and family let me ride in theirs. I liked the car. I also like Chick-fil-a Chicken, and Papa Johns Pizza. From time to time, I visit Hobby Lobby. If I did digging on EVERY CEO, and found things that I disagreed with, I'd likely have few places left to shop. Instead, I try to focus on the other "non-crazy" folks that work at these places.

When it comes to Tesla technology... it's actually really good.

Re: Tesla releases Q1 2024 deliveries: disastrous results

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Could it be that Musk's inflammatory language and behaviors are a turn off for potential buyers? They are a turn off for me. I like the vehicles but I'd never get one.

The vast majority of the world doesn't exist in the online sphere.

I think that they have saturated the initial EV buyers, mainstream is still afraid of EV and there's more anti-EV propaganda in the media than ever before.

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Some friends bought a Model X about six months ago, spending over $100k — that’s down from the almost $150k that Tesla was demanding a couple years ago when we bought one (and both were fairly fully loaded). First, my experience 2 years ago was the A/C compressor was so loud that during summer with cooling running at maximum, you couldn’t hold a conversation in the cabin because of the noise. Tesla investigated and e…

You're not buying quality when you buy Tesla, you're buying fashion. if you want quality buy a Toyota/Lexus.

Yeah, and the twitter opinions are really stinking up the brand so depending on your social group you may want to look elsewhere.

Maybe Elon can get conservatives to buy EVs to "own the libs." Godspeed on that, but so far it doesn't seem to be working.

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You're not buying quality when you buy Tesla, you're buying fashion. if you want quality buy a Toyota/Lexus.

I'm a big fan of Toyota Prius Prime and RAV4 Prime. (High efficiency vehicles, Prius Prime is #1 most green car of ACEEE list, etc. etc.). But people buying Tesla aren't aligned to Toyota. But a better match to culture is likely Jeep Wrangler 4xe. Incredible offroading performance, reasonable towing capacity, large size / in-your-face advertising to some extent. And electrified, so that your daily commute is efficien…

I bought a new Wrangler last year, and I was sorely tempted by the 4xe, but Chrysler's track record with electronics is pretty poor. I'd lease one, but I don't think I'd buy one.

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Tesla has the Cybertruck now (is it shipping yet?). People love trucks, so this might work out great for TSLA. But they don't really have an SUV, which is by far the most popular form factor. The Model Y is closest but it's still a bit car-ish. Interest rates are up. Their chairman is going through a very public ...episode. They'll definitely overcome the headwinds: they still have superfans despite the Musk antics;…

Good luck with that thesis and sorry for your loss.

Re: Tesla releases Q1 2024 deliveries: disastrous results

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Could it be that Musk's inflammatory language and behaviors are a turn off for potential buyers? They are a turn off for me. I like the vehicles but I'd never get one.

Personally I’d never buy one for that reason. Would never work for one of his companies either. I don’t want to contribute to his wealth.

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I wanted a Tesla, but I couldn’t inage buying one with Musk as CEO.

Yeah. Ten years ago it was the cool, new brand. Now it's what you buy when you want to rep an insane drug addict transphobe's fall from grace. I'm looking to buy a Hyundai later this year.

> Now it's what you buy when you want to rep an insane drug addict transphobe's fall from grace.

Drug addict? You mean his ketamine for depression?

And when you buy a car are you "representing" the CEO's views?

What are the CEO of Hyundai's personal beliefs? Do you even know?

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FWIW they had some insane discounts toward the end of March, to the extent that I'm not sure high prices is the problem. I bought a new long-range AWD Model Y myself a couple weeks ago because between the discounts and tax credits I ended up paying under $40k (would've been around $36k but even after sales tax and fees and stuff it was still only around $39k). At those prices I'm not sure how they aren't selling more…

> At those prices I'm not sure how they aren't selling more cars. I cannot imagine paying $40K for a car, and I'm sure there are millions like me. You may be optimistic on what you think the average person can afford.

The average price of a new car is $48k:

https://caredge.com/guides/new-car-price-trends-in-2024

The average new car purchaser may not be the average person, also the average include trucks with tend to be super super expensive.

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